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Winchester cases?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by ar10, Dec 25, 2008.

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  1. ar10

    ar10 Member

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    I picked up a sorted a bunch of Winchester .308 cases and was curious if anyone knows the difference between the "Winchester" headstamp and the "W C C" headstamp. I looked it up and W C C means "Winchester Cartridge Co."
     
  2. ReloaderFred

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    Normally, the WCC headstamp is on military ammunition. If it was military, there would also be a two digit number indicating the year of manufacture. If it's loaded to NATO specifications, there will also be a circle with a cross inside, like crosshairs.

    Hope this helps.

    Fred
     
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    from my own expieriences, i can say one has a crimp, and the full word winchesters don't, that is on .223 stuff.
     
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    Wasn't Western Cartridge Co. owned by Winchester? I have some .45 ACP brass that is headstamped WCC 43. I was told it was made by Western in 1943. Is there a year date on the head stamp?
     
  5. 10 Spot Terminator

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    WCC headstamp is definitely military issue and must be noted has crimped primer pockets and they need to be swaged out to allow hand loading. The WINCHESTER head stamps are sporting loads for the general public and can be reloaded without modifying the primer pockets .
     
  6. ar10

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    I thought so. I noticed it when I weighed them. WCC: 176.3gn
    Winchester: 157.6gn. There's also a crimp ring on the WCC cases but not much. (compared to the GGG cases I just finished. that one has a very pronounced ring but the weight is identical to the WCC cases.)
    I guess I could combine the WCC and GGG cases and dropping the load 2gn. The OFV cases are definitely NATO and those suckers weigh 185.3gn.
    All the cases I weighed have been cleaned, trimmed to 2.005, reamed and polished.
     
  7. MMCSRET

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    Winchester also used Military headstamped cases in some of their "Q" loads marketed in the late 80's and into the 90's. It was the predecessor of what today is called WWB. I have a lot of 38 Special that is marked with WCC and the year in four digits such as WCC 1988. I have seen 308 marked this way.
     
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    AR 10, your OFV cases are indeed NATO spec ammunition produced in the Phillippenes. They appear to be rather high quality, and are boxer primed.
     
  9. ar10

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    I don't know yet, I haven't reloaded/shot any of them yet. They are pretty heavy tho.
    I also came across some WW super's weighing about 152gn's. They aren't crimped so I'm guessing they're some sort of civilian cases.
     
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    Whoops! I goofed. Another Senior Moment, I suppose!

    Those OFV cases are from India. The PMCs are from the Phillippines.
     
  11. ReloaderFred

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    OFV are from India, but PMC is owned by a Korean company now. Prior to that, they were in Boulder City, Nevada, and made a lot of their brass there on machines they purchased from B.E.L.L.

    Hope this helps.

    Fred
     
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