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Winchester Model 69

Discussion in 'Firearms Research' started by bigbadgun, Aug 31, 2008.

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  1. bigbadgun

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    Hey all I just got my hands on a really nice Model 69. Is there a way to tell in what year it was made. I know they were manufactured from 1935 until 1963 producing 355,000 rifles. But would there be any markings anywhere on the rifle that would indicate a certain year.
    Thanks for any help.
     
  2. kurts_armory

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    thats interesting, it says these rifles were not marked... hmm. if you live anywhere near a cabelas or basspro, they have people in the fin gun rooms that can help you out a lot.
     
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    ok thanks I have a Bass pro about 50 miles from me
     
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    Take the stock off and look on the bottom of the barrel up next to the receiver.

    Winchester used to stamp the assembly date there on most guns.
    Don't know if they did on the 69 though.

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    No, there is no way to tell as they were not marked during this time
    Believe it was 68' when they began numbering ALL things that go bang.
    I have two in pristine condition. The newer ones have grooved receivers
    for scope mounts. FYI The Model 69 Receivers were used with a heavy
    barrel and were the Model 75. Same parts and magazines for both
     
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    I've had a Model 69A since I was 15 and that was 45 years ago. There is NO factory sereal number.
     
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    "...NO factory serial number..." Not required prior to 1968's Gun Control Act.
     
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    ok yes I have heard from a couple of people that on the older 69s they did not have grooves on the reciever. Mine does not have the grooves any idea when they started to pu the grooves on the reciever?
    This is the problem when you buy really old guns pre 1969 you really need to look to find anything out lol gotta love it.
     
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    The Weaver Tip-Off mount became popular in the 1950's.

    By the early 60's almost every .22 rifle had a 3/8" grooved receiver for them.

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    Is it a 69 or a 69A? IIRC the 69 was only made for a couple of years from 35 to 37 which really narrows it down. The main difference (again IIRC) is in the cocking mechanism, one cocks on the way forward with the bolt and the other on the way back but I forget which is which.
     
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    The Model 69 cocked on closing and the Model 69A cocked on opening.

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    Mine is a model 69 not a 69a thanks for all the help guys.
     
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    My 80-year old uncle surprised me over the weekend by gifting me his Model 69. I had never seen one so got on the internet to find out what is was. I came upon this website and have a question. First to describe the rifle, all metal is in pristeen condition - almost looks new. The stock is scuffed up, however. The sight on mine is a "peep" sight which seems to be a variant to what I have been reading. Bigbadgun says the dates of manufacture were from 1935 to 1963 and 355,000 were made. 41magsnub says the 69 was made from 35 to 37. Of those 355,000, does anyone know how many of them were 69's? Mine truly is a 69 based on the descriptions provided on this blog. Who was the inventor of this model. I know John Browning had a hand in a bunch of Winchester models but don't know about this one. What was the price of the rifle in 1935-37? I am contemplating refinishing the stock but have been told to do so, even if scuffed up, devalues the piece. Is that a big issue with this rifle?

    Thanks for your help.
     
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    No, John Browning had nothing at all to do with the Model 69 bolt action.

    He designed many of Winchesters lever action & pump rifles & shotguns, as well as the Model 1885 high & low wall single shots.
    He did design the Model 1900 single-shot bolt action .22.

    The Model 69 was designed in-house by an unknown designer.

    As for refinishing the stock?

    There is not as much collector interest in the bolt-action .22's as there is in the higher grade pumps & lever-actions. If you feel the need to refinish it, it will not impact the value much at all if the finish is already messed up enough to need it.
    Be advised that reproducing the old time Winchester red stock finish is easier said then done.
    It can be done with the proper red stain & lacquer, but it ain't cheap.

    Before you do that though, I would suggest you clean the stock with 0000 extra-fine steel wool and Lemon Oil furniture polish.

    You might be pleasantly surprised at what you got there.

    rc
     
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    @ late 36/very early 37, the forend was made with more of a beavertail shape. The takedown screw was also recessed. This happend around production of 63,400 units.

    @ late 35 the rebounding firing pin became standard. This was around production of 21,000 units.

    Extremely early 69's (first 2,500 or so) had a shellac finish. Early triggers were plain.

    Rough produciton numbers; 35-31K, 36-22K, 38-9K, 39-7.5K 40-10K, 41-11K, 42-4.4K, 43 - less than 100
     
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