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Winchester Ranger 124 gr 9mm NATO question?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by DenaliPark, Jan 19, 2011.

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  1. DenaliPark

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    I've noticed recently that there is a huge abundance Of Winchester Ranger 124 gr 9mm NATO ball ammo for sale, virtually everywhere!

    Anyone know if this is overrun, or rejected contract? Please, no speculators, looking for hard info/data?
     
  2. drew2500

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    I've heard both so I'm not really sure. I've shot some and love it so far.
     
  3. rambler

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    i just bought some so we'll see

    i'll re-post if there are any issues...i'm hoping to get some range time this weekend.
     
  4. Ragtop5969

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    Thar makes you think that there has to be some sort of product defect for us to buy the ammunition our military uses day in and day out all over the world?:what:
     
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    I think because it is all of a sudden showing up all over the place when it hasn't been readily available before...Bill
     
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    Without speculating, I note that the 9mm NATO and the 5.56mm loadings appeared to become much more plentiful just as we were ramping down combat operations in Iraq - hey those big loading machines have got to do something when they're not working overtime for Uncle Sam!
     
  7. usp9

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    I just bought three cases of Winchester NATO 9mm. It is dated 2007. Nothing wrong with it that I can tell. Great practice ammo at low Walmart prices, $10.50/box. It didn't come with a note explaining why it was available though.
     
  8. Ben86

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    I just bought a couple boxes to have a hotter fmj load to have with me in my Glock 26 when I go running. The ones I bought were in the black and white boxes, not the ranger one's. From what I've read the velocity is about 1185fps. I'm going to shoot some this Friday, weather allowing, and compare it too my federal fmj target fodder. I'll try to remember to post my impression of it.
     
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    maybe rotating the older stock then...
    Bill
     
  10. outerlimit

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    I've been buying Winchester NATO as practice ammo and cheap carry ammo for at least ten years. Back then it was about $30 a case. The last I bought was several cases back in April, all are 2010 headstamp. I've used the Whitebox NATO plenty of times before also. I haven't been able to tell a difference between either. Primers all looked the same and it registered the same velocity through the chronograph, about 1200fps from a BHP and 1220 from a Beretta 92FS. That chronograph was a little slow also. The official specs are 124gr. @ 1185fps from a 4" barrel.
     
  11. Lobo_79

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    From my hands on experience this is great ammo. I've been shooting it almost exclusively from my Beretta and CZ collection for over three years now. I've had a few minor quality issues with standard WWB 115 gr FMJ ammo but the NATO load has been flawless.

    I like to shoot it in my Berettas because, as you know, this round is based on the 124 gr FMJ. My shooting accuracy with my 92FS seems to be better with this round.

    Thank goodness this round is now more plentiful.
     
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    How is this stuff in older and US firearms? I have a P7 which should eat the NATO stuff just fine, but I'm a bit more worried about my 1918 VoPo Luger.
     
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    I had heard a lot of misinformation about the Winchester 9mm NATO. Mostly about it being advertised as NATO, but not NATO power. I picked up a box at Bass Pro and chronoed it. It is definitely Hot. Out of my Glock 17 , it was running anywhere from 1180(low) to 1260(high) in a 5 shot test (40*). It fed and fired fine. Recoil wasnt bad. One thing i noted was the inconsistent velocities. It seems like good stuff, it is just too expensive in my area ($15 per 50).
     
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    That is quite a variation, I haven't encountered anything like that.
     
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    Anybody who has experienced that much variation, I'd like to know what headstamp.
     
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    I just got back from trying this nato stuff out in my Glock 26, and I am impressed. This stuff is muy caliente! At least as much recoil as +P ammo I've shot out of my Glock 26, maybe more. I compared it back to back with WWB ammo, the difference was night and day. The nato rounds spun the steel harder and destroyed the water jugs better. Shooting a whole box was actually a little painful. My fingers were a bit numb at the end, which never happens to me when I shoot WWB. Man I wish I had a chronograph, though 1185 fps is completely believable.

    It functioned flawlessly, and was just as accurate as most any other load. I really am impressed. This is going to be my fmj defensive load, so to speak, when I go running around my woodland property.

    [​IMG]
     
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    The Win NATO 9mm I shot was packaged like the pic in Ben86's post. Headstamp was WCC with crimped primer pockets. If I can find it cheaper, i will test an entire box over my chrono.
     
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    Please do. :)

    The language on the back of the box says that it loaded to a pressure 10% higher than that of normal SAAMI specifications (that being 35,000 psi) and a large statistical sample is always a plus when testing stuff like this.

    What pistol will you be using to run this test?

    Looking forward to the results. Thanks. :)
     
  21. Sapper771

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    More than likely i will be using a Glock 17.
     
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    Sounds good, my favorite pistol of all.

    Stay safe.
     
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    Anybody compare it to Federal or PPU 124 gr?
     
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    I shot this stuff in August of 2009 using my 3rd gen. Glock 17. Can't justify buying the PPU ammo as I am presently swimming in 9mm "practice" ammo until I can burn some of it off this spring.

    Federal "American Eagle" 9mm 124 gr. FMJ (AE9AP)
    Hi: 1144 fps
    Lo: 1100 fps
    Av: 1118 fps
    ES: 44 fps
    SD: 10.85 fps
    n: 24

    Once Sapper771 collects his data and presents it here we can compare it against this data sample. :evil:
     
  25. DeltaKilo

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    The Ranger stuff is good ammo, either way. Better to have a plethora of available ammo than a dearth.
     
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