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Winchester white and red box 9mm ammo problems....

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by afponiky, Oct 12, 2013.

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  1. afponiky

    afponiky Member

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    Has anyone here had any problems with the white and red boxes of Winchester 9mm 115 100 round value pack?

    I've had three guns jam while shooting this. We have done a lot of research after taking the first two guns to a gun smith to unjam. The third I started to put things together as to the cause. I'm not going to post pictures or my findings yet. I want to give Winchester a chance to answer my emails. If they don't I will post them.

    So what kind of problems have you all had with this ammo?

    What were the causes, the problems and how did you get out of the situation that it has caused you?


    Thank you,


    AF
     
  2. littlebluevette

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    No problems with that ammo at all.....
     
  3. newfalguy101

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    Of the factory ammo I have used over the years, I do not recall ever having ANY functioning problems with any of it.
     
  4. BYJO4

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    I've shot alot of Win white box ammo and never a problem in 9MM or 45.
     
  5. Arizona_Mike

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    I find Estate cleaner shooting and PRVI cleaner shooting and more accurate but have never had functioning issues with the cheap Winchester in any caliber or weight.

    Mike
     
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  6. RussB

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    I've shot several thousand WWB through 9mm and 45acp pistols without any issues. Most was purchased from Wal-Mart over the 10+ years
     
  7. rhinoh

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    A lot of WWB in 9/38/40/45. Never an issue.
     
  8. M2 Carbine

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    I like it. Never had a problem.
    But I don't shoot a lot of it because I reload 9mm.

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  9. MedWheeler

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    I've run a couple hundred from my Kel-Tec PF9 with no issues. If any gun is going ot stumble with WWB ammo, you'd think it would be a Kel-Tec (to read popular opinion.)

    Haven't run it yet in my only other 9mm pistol, a Ruger P95, but I don't expect any problems there, either.

    For educated opinions here, you'd have to share more, such as the types of jams, how many rounds it took to have them, and the guns involved.
     
  10. tommy.duncan

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    I have shot several hundred 9mm (and other calibers) of the Winchester white box and no failures. They are a little dirty, but, at least I can go shooting again.
     
  11. Sergei Mosin

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    I've fired thousands of rounds of WWB in .380, 9mm, .40, and .45 through several autoloaders (and .38 Special through a couple of revolvers.) Never had a single failure that could be attributed to the ammunition.
     
  12. snapshot762

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    WWB is what i usually shoot for target ammo until i can get a reloading room set up. Never had a problem with it at all.
     
  13. rskent

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    Never a problem with Winchester. I have shot a metric butt ton of it. With things being what they are these days it's
    possible they let out a bad batch. Please let us know the problem and batch numbers so we can keep a look out for it.
    Thanks
     
  14. brutus51

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    Never had any functioning problems but I find that none of the bulk offerings are very accurate out of my pistols.
     
  15. Zerodefect

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    It's too weak for some guns. Cycleing and Limp wristing problems occur sooner than hotter ammo.

    Can't complain about that though. Good failure drill practice. It is, afterall, just practice ammo.
     
  16. afponiky

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    Ok, did some research and this has been a problem and it is documented online so I'll go ahead a post the issues....

    This is most of the email I sent to Winchester........

    Ok, we have had three handguns get locked up and had to take 2 of them to a gunsmith to get unjammed. We got a little smarter on the third and were able to unlock the slide on it to get it into a safe condition.

    The ammo is 9mm, 115 grain FMJ 100 round value pack that is in the white with red packaging.

    I don't know your codes but here is what is on the bottom of the box...... 187956_ 10
    9039762_120415_3/12
    25149b

    The other codes are CT510EY
    E129265
    K7190




    Now, since we did not get the bullet back from the gunsmith for either of the first two guns, which happened within the last month but on separate occasions, I could not determine what had happened. First there was the old head space possibility, then there was the old you didn't clean it game. The third time it happened we got the bullet out, pulled it and saw that the primer was pushed way out, the top of the case was bulged and the gun was locked up. Upon pulling the bullet it was very evident that there was NO HOLE FOR THE PRIMER inside of the case.



    I have never had this problem before, but this was pretty bad. All the same lot number.

    Research it on line and you will see that this has been an issue.

    We will see how they respond to me on this.


    AF
     

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  17. wow6599

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    WWB is good stuff in my book, but if I'm at WM and they have WWB or Federal (maroon box), I'll take the Federal every time. I find it more accurate and a little cleaner than WWB.
     
  18. Notoast

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    I had problems with some 9mm WWB a couple of years ago. I don't know the lot number but I had about 2 per 1000 defects. The case mouth was damaged (a small tear that folded under the bullet) so that when the slide tried to feed a round it would wedge in the chamber and not go fully into battery. Only time my Glock has ever had a problem feeding ammo.
    Now I always inspect any bulk factory ammo before I load it.
     
  19. stantheman1976

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    I don't recall you saying what pistols they were you had problems with. That would help a lot.

    Personally I've shot tons of WWB and so have buddies of mine and never had any issues.
     
  20. 87hurricane

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    I do recall a few people finding a few boxes of WWB with no primer holes a while ago, sure fire way to a nice jammed up semi. I've never personally had any issues with WWB, except that I have found it to be incredibly inaccurate. I have seen several bad rounds by different manufacturers in the past few years, one that has been trouble free for me is federal, and I've shot a lot of their ammo.
     
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    No problems. I have a M&P FS 9mm. I've shot over a thousand rounds of factory ammo. Probably 400 of those were Winchesters. I have not had an issue yet.
     
  22. Furncliff

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    I have had a problem occasionally with WWB, but nothing of any importance, until the last box were I found a bullet set Waaayy back in the case.
     
  23. Ar180shooter

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    I've shot thousands of rounds of WWB in both .40 and .223 without issue.
     
  24. Hangingrock

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    On occasion WWB and Wal-Mart are intertwined in the subject of problematic occurrence's. Could someone encounter a problem with WWB yes. Have I had a problem with WWB no. This is not to say at some point I won't have a problem. I have had one or two problem instances that I can recall in fifty plus years of shooting with commercial ammunition. There may have been more instances but my memory eludes me on this particular subject. I'd just return the ammunition to Winchester with a detailed letter of the problems that occurred.
     
  25. CAR

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    I have never has a problem with Winchester USA white box myself. I would think that there are probably some defective rounds that have escaped their QC (just as with any other manufacturer) but I have never got any myself. That being said, I always inspect my rounds for any visual defects before loading them into the magazine.
     
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