Winchester White Box VS Remington UMC

[tntwatt]

Opinions?

 

[Atla]

Oh no I started this didn't I from the Walmart thread.

Remington UMC is more -consistant-.

Try taking winchester white box, any caliber, and sending them through a chrono and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Winchester 73]

Remington UMC is more -consistant-.

Agree.

 

[tntwatt]

Atla, yep.

The WWB is slightly cheaper at wolly world but they almost never have .45 UMC in stock.

 

[Atla]

I should add that I also think Winchester White Box is more 'sketch'.

I've heard and seen a lot of deformed rounds in WWB lately. Also heard of some Squibs and even some KaBoom's. (stands to figure guys, if the powder load is very low in some rounds - it is very high in others)

I don't really like shooting it anymore.

 

[WSM MAGNUM]

If I`m going to buy either one for just target shooting at the range, it makes no difference to me. I`ll buy whatever is cheaper. Inconsistant or not, makes no difference for just plinking or target shooting.

 

[Mike J]

Didn't vote because I usually use Blazer Brass for target. I believe it is cheaper than either of your choices & the only thing my Ruger P-944 has ever failed to eject with was UMC.

 

[tntwatt]

mike j, haven't tried blazer brass. where do you normally buy?

 

[Lupinus]

wally world sells blazer brass. Good price and good stuff

 

[Ala Dan]

Good Stuff

dirty as all get out, but does the job!

 

[Big Daddy K]

Have ya noticed that UMC 9 hps dont open up in wet newspaper?

Then again I shot a couple of my friends high dollar ? hps and they didnt open either.

WWB is 4 bucks cheaper per 100 but the UMCs look cooler.

 

[Winchester 73]

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged!!!

Still an excellent idea after 144 years

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

I've heard good things about Aguila's ammo, but I haven't tried any of their center fire ammo myself. CCI Blazer Brass is good stuff, Dirty, but more consistent than WWB, and my Sub 2000 likes it better than UMC. Out of a 100 of each, UMC gave me 2 FTEs, WWB had a squib and a couple rounds that sounded and felt a little light, CCI worked as well as I expected it to(relatively consistent, and reliable).

 

[retgarr]

Hm, I dunno about aguila center fire, but I know that their .22lr smells like cat piss and isn't always liked by semi auto pistols.
And blazer brass produces consistent pressure according to feel, but it sure makes my cz dirty, not the easiest gun to clean either. Although it will eat anything.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

UMC brass seems to be of a higher quality seems to me to be much better for reloading. Anyone else noticed it?

-Sans Authoritas

 

[Auburn1992]

WWB is 4 bucks cheaper per 100 but the UMCs look cooler.

Just wondering, how does it look cooler?

 

[XD Fan]

I use the CCI Blazer Brass as it saves me a couple of bucks a box. I have only had one hiccup in several thousand rounds. But I do prefer UMC to WWB.

 

[peacenik]

glah glah

I get better accuracy with the Remington. I have no idea why.

 

[3 gun]

Can't tell the difference between the two. I've used thousands of both. Both make the same power factor (129-131) when used for USPSA matches. I buy whatever is cheapest. WWB seems just a little cleaner shooting.

 

[Patrick Henry]

I think Remington has underloaded ammo, at least in the calibers I shoot, 9mm and .38 spl.

No Remington 9mm comes even close to 115gr WWB. I've never had any failure in hundreds of rounds of the latter. Shot to shot it feels consistent to me.

Judging from the holes in the paper, Remington 158gr LRN .38 special is tumbling through the air, at least from a 2-inch barrel. I wish somebody would chrono some of that, I bet it's going slow as hell. (even for .38) Don't seem to have that problem with their 130gr MC.

Another issue with Remington is their primer caps are very hard. My friend's PPK would put a nice dent in the primer with no ignition. 2nd strike the round would fire if you manually cocked the hammer. He said other brands weren't a problem.

 

[rockinrussky]

I've come across a couple of slightly deformed white box (9mm) out of a thousand rounds or so while I've yet to have a single issue with the UMC. Plus, the UMC just seems to be a bit more accurate and not quite as dirty.
Heck, if you want something cheap to plink with just get Blazer brass, plus the non-aluminum cased ones are reloadable.

 

[Halo]

I think Remington has underloaded ammo, at least in the calibers I shoot, 9mm and .38 spl.

My experience has been the same, though the only Remington I've shot is their 115gr UMC in 9mm. The recoil seems noticeably softer than other range fodder I've used. I'll have to chronograph some next time I go shooting. Out of curiosity I pulled a bullet from the 9mm UMC and was really surprised at just how little powder there was in there. I know fast burning powders have a smaller charge, but I was still surprised.

On the upside I do like the Remington cases for reloading.

 

[bakert]

I've heard second hand horror stories about both but I've used both with good results, even used them both in my carry guns at times. Often think some people complain just about anything or maybe I just got the good batches
Edited to add, my experience only with 9MM and .45ACP

 

[Valkman]

Much prefer WWB. The one time I chrono'd my reloads and factory ammo (all in .45acp), the reloads and WWB were consistant and almost equal in every respect. The UMC was all over the map like their powder thrower was dumping a different load every round.

 

[kd7nqb]

I am a WWB guy but I will buy either or Blazer brass whichever is least outrageous at that time. Also I have been told (but not yet confirmed) that there is a difference between the green box UMC and the stuff in the yellow 250rnd packs.