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  1. chaddy

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    Are these good guns. Hope so cause I got my Walmart to order me one for 799$. How long y'all thank it will take me to get it?
     
  2. JohnnyK

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    sweet... one cool thing about wally world is low prices... i should do the same.
     
  3. Grmlin

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    You have a good Wal-Mart the ones around here said they can not order the AR styles rifles.
     
  4. OARNGESI

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    There made by the old bushmaster psople they are suppozebly great guns and 799 is a great price.even. Before everything went up
     
  5. Tomcat47

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    Yes, these are great rifles at a good price at wally world! Right before Christmas got a DPMS Sportical and the Windham for $799 .. last two they had under $1k and then everything went south as you know. And our local has not gotten either in stock since then.

    The Sportical was aprox $600 and the Windham was worth the extra $200 as it was closer to Mil spec rifle. Both are great in my book!

    I am Very Happy with them and the story behind Windham is refreshing to me anyway.
     
  6. Skylerbone

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    How long a wait? Well if I were you I wouldn't start buying panic priced ammo as I bet it will be far more reasonable and available before your rifle shows up. I think you made a great choice as it's likely the same model I laid hands on last October. Man I should have bought that rifle but I was shopping for my son that day.
     
  7. mbruce

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    As said -- same folks that started Bushy... I will add this -- I have 2 of each brand (I'm waiting on my neighbor to pick up his 2 -- I'm not a hoarder) and both Windham triggers are superior to the Bushy triggers during the travel stage. So this may be for every case but it is for the 4 that are laying on my carpet.

    Windhan SRT and Bushy Patrol A3

    I've never called Bushy but Windham has excellent customer service.
     
  8. Quentin

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    Windham is average or slightly lower. It's built as a commercial grade AR so corners have been cut to meet their price range. It will work fine for most buyers but those who push a carbine hard or want attention to details may want to aim higher. PSA would be a big upgrade, they offer a milspec AR at about the same price.

    Alas, right now isn't a good time to shop around for the best offerings at a certain price point. Right now that is a good price for an entry level AR.
     
  9. mjw930

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    That is your personal opinion not shared by someone who's owns both. While my PSA is a fine rifle my father-in-laws Windham has no signs of having corners cut vs. the PSA. In fact, the fit and finish on the Windham as well as the trigger group are a slightly better than the PSA IMHO.

    Regardless, you are not going to find a better AR-15 for under $1000 than the Windham. For $799 it's a deal even before the panic. Post panic it's a screaming deal, assuming they can deliver. It's quite possible Windham will raise the price to Wally World so the order may never get filled.
     
  10. Skylerbone

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    Yeah...any AR not approved by the chart is a hobby gun and not for serious theater of operation. Same with sidearms, those Glocks, Wilson Combats, Smith & Wessons just aren't M9 mil spec enough for "hard use". No need for real world accounts, mil spec predicts reliability and quality from cradle to grave. Reconsider before your castle nuts fall off! :uhoh:
     
  11. chaddy

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    Can some of y'all guess how long it will take for it to get here?
     
  12. B!ngo

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    Approved by the chart? Can you fill in more info for the lay person?
    Thx,
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  13. TexasPatriot.308

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    I recently bought another Bushmaster, first one in over 7 years, it is Marked LR 308 and marked B.F.I. Windham Me. while the old Bushmaster folks are now manufacturing Windham Arms, the LR marking tells me it is a DPMS lower. Life is crazy in the AR world right now and gonna get weirder....just look at the new downloadable magazines from the internet.
     
  14. jmr40

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    I think PSA uses better quality parts, but I'd have no issues with a Windham. Or any of the mid-range AR's. I have Rock River, Stag and PSA. None of them are in the same range as the upper end AR's but serve my purposes just fine, as would the Windham. I almost bought one a few months back, but decided the PSA was just a little better. I'd buy what I can get right now and not worry too much about it.

    The way I see it if the time comes that I truly need a better AR there will be plenty laying around for the taking.
     
  15. Skylerbone

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    The holy grail for those who believe manganese phosphate under the front sight is critical to rifle longevity and that 1:7 is the only twist rate that can launch projectiles. "The Chart" is nothing more than a list of specific build features but often quoted. Some believe the closer a rifle comes to pattern the better it will be.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ar+15+chart&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
     
  16. rojocorsa

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    The chart is a helpful tool with guidelines.

    What actually matters is what one intends to do with the rifle. If you want to plink around and have fun with it, that Windham should be fine. Just go over it and make sure the gas key is properly staked, etc.
     
  17. Skylerbone

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    As you would go over any rifle to insure safety. To have an improperly staked key or mis-cut feed ramps or crooked sight or loose screw would not be a first for any of them.

    The least of my concerns is the diameter of the buffer tube or whether its castle nut is staked or whether my barrel had been individually tested. Dozens of rifles, shotguns, pistols and revolvers all told and none have failed for lack of quality assurance tests. Fine to perform them but wholly unnecessary. I have no reason to believe my rifle or a Windham rifle or a Colt rifle won't be capable of wearing out numerous barrels.

    One (of MANY) actual tests of the Bushmaster, one brand whose quality declined noticeably after being bought out: http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/

    At the end of the day if you buy any specific brand of AR there will always be detractors for specific reasons. Some are valid, some non-issues and some a matter of cost. To say Windham cuts corners to meet price point ought to mean PSA must do the same...or maybe others simply charge too much.
     
  18. Warp

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    The chart is simply an old thing somebody made comparing the specifications of different rifles.

    Some people, generally whose rifles don't score very well on the chart, despise that the chart shows the lower quality materials used to put together some of the rifles that are out there.



    And a lot of people don't seem to even understand what the specs on the chart are, or what they mean, or how/if they matter.


    The diameter is kind of the least significant difference between commercial and mil spec receiver extensions. ;)

    For example, a mil spec receiver extension will be 7075 T6 aluminum. Commercial tubes are generally the less expensive and weaker 6061. Their threads (commercial) are generally cut instead of rolled on, and are also weaker.

    Now, you may have a very valid argument in saying a weaker and cheaper commercial receiver extension (aka buffer tube) is all you need and money better spent, for you. But don't pretend like the diameter is the biggest difference.


    OP: I suggest joining up and reading on www.m4carbine.net
     
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    I agree with the things Warp said.

    Moreover, one should be aware that many aftermarket stocks are made only for the mil-spec diameter so they're not compatible.
     
  20. Skylerbone

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    Yes Warp, for you the professional skydiving AR carrier it will certainly make a difference. You always class up a thread with your pokes at the "insecurities" of others; clearly the only reason there could be for disinterest in the chart. Feel free to avail us of the many, many stories of busted commercial buffer tubes you've experienced in all that range time you put in whilst I sat in my basement playing couch commando. Don't forget to use those favorite phrases of yours "noob" and "hobbyist" to describe everyone who doesn't own what you prefer. Also, give us a quick round count for your hard-use AR and the misc. torture tests you've run. Let's hope this doesn't end like the last thread where you ignore facts and imply experience then insult everyone.

    I'll be working on a chart for pistols, explaining how your Glock doesn't have any mil spec features to bring to the party. No traditional rifling, alloy frame, external safety, open slide, decocker and won't take standard issue GI mags. Yep, a Taurus will be Tier 1 compared to the G17. Anybody take that at face value?
     
  21. Quentin

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    My PSA also is a fine rifle, I really can't see much difference from my BCM and Daniel Defense. Windham does cut corners, the BCG and barrel for starters and of course the commercial diameter receiver extension. Finsh may be nice but that's cosmetic only. Trigger groups vary from individual rifle to another. My PSA is better than the DD and a Stag and an ArmaLite, other examples could be the opposite. I have only handled a Windham, not fired one as I don't know anyone nearby who has one.
     
  22. Warp

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    I like to deal in factually correct information.

    Your implication that the diameter of the receiver extension is the only (or more important) difference between commercial and mil spec versions is incorrect/misleading/deceptive. You are either not aware of the actual differences, or you are intentionally deceiving people.

    If you want to put forth your opinion that the stronger mil spec tubes are a waste of money and the less-strong and less-expensive commercial tubes will work every bit as well, that's great! Do so. But be honest about the FACT that there are more, and more significant, differences between them than the diameter.
     
  23. k_dawg

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    Give me an M-14 over the original "mil-spec" M16 if I am going into battle. Even without the giggle switch.

    I would far rather have a stainless Krieger or JP Rifle barrel than worrying about if I have manganese phosphate under the gas block.

    mil-spec does not inherently mean a better design. There is mil-spec toilet paper, after all.
     
  24. TexasPatriot.308

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    k dawg, I am an old grunt close to 60, the M-14 was a hoss compared to the puny M16. a sledge hammer and the m16 is just a lil hammer.
     
  25. Warp

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    Correct.

    mil spec means the specific specification at hand.

    In order to make any kind of judgement call on the 'quality', effectiveness, or applicability to your application of the specification, you have to understand WHAT the specification calls for, and what the advantages/disadvantages of the specification are relative to other choices.

    mil spec may be perfect for what you want to do. It may be mediocre. It may be bad.

    Understanding the fundamentals of it is what makes you an informed and formidable consumer.
     
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