Wisconsin AG Says "Open Carry -- NOT Disorderly

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The Wisconsin Department of Justice believes that the mere open carrying of a firearm by a person, absent additional facts and circumstances, should not result in a disorderly conduct charge from a prosecutor.
ADVISORY MEMORANDUM WISCONSIN DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

Date: April 20, 2009

To: Wisconsin District Attorneys, Deputy District Attorneys and Assistant
District Attorneys

From: J.B. Van Hollen
Attorney General

Subject: The Interplay Between Article I, § 25 Of The Wisconsin Constitution, The Open Carry Of Firearms And Wisconsin’s Disorderly Conduct Statute, Wis. Stat. § 947.01

Summary

¶1. Under Article I, § 25 of the Wisconsin Constitution, a person has the right to openly carry a firearm for any of the purposes enumerated in that Section, subject to reasonable regulation as discussed herein. The Wisconsin Department of Justice (the Department) believes that the mere open carrying of a firearm by a person, absent additional facts and circumstances, should not result in a disorderly conduct charge from a prosecutor.

Discussion

¶2. The Department has a duty under Wis. Stat. § 165.25(3) to “[c]onsult and advise with the district attorneys when requested by them in all matters pertaining to the duties of their office.” We have received multiple inquiries from state prosecutors on the interplay between Article I, § 25, the open carry of firearms and Wisconsin’s disorderly conduct statute, Wis Stat. § 947.01.1 In response, we offer this informal Advisory Memorandum2 for your consideration. Please feel free to use it for law enforcement training within your jurisdictions.

1 The Department has also received requests from individuals and legislators for a formal Opinion of the Attorney General on the legality of openly carrying firearms in Wisconsin. We declined these requests,
principally because (a) the individual requestors were not entitled to a formal opinion under Wis. Stat. §§ 59.42(1)(c), 165.015(1), or 165.25(3), and (b) the circumstances involved “an issue that [was] the subject of current or reasonably imminent litigation, since an opinion of the attorney general might affect such litigation.” 77 Op. Att’y Gen. Preface (1988), at 3.D. While we acknowledge the recent filing of a federal civil lawsuit pertaining to open carry in the Eastern District of Wisconsin—Gonzalez v. Village of West Milwaukee, et al., No. 09-CV-384-LA—we note that the State of Wisconsin is not a party to this federal action. We further note that, as explained below, this informal Advisory Memorandum does not carry the same legal significance as a formal Opinion of the Attorney General on a matter of state law.

2 This informal Advisory Memorandum does not constitute a formal opinion of the Wisconsin Attorney General or the Wisconsin Department of Justice under Wis. Stat. § 165.015(1). The Department offers this Advisory Memorandum for educational and informational purposes only. It does not prevent the Attorney General, the Wisconsin Department of Justice, or any Wisconsin district attorney, special prosecutor or municipal prosecutor from bringing any particular charge or making any particular argument in the course of litigation. It does not create any rights beyond those


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¶3. As amended in 1998, the Wisconsin Constitution provides that “[t]he people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose.” Wis. Const. art. I, § 25. A Wisconsin citizen has a constitutionally protected right to openly carry a firearm for any of the enumerated purposes, absent the application of a reasonable regulation properly imposed as an exercise of police power. See, e.g., Wis. Stat. § 941.29 (preventing certain classes of persons from possessing firearms); State v. Thomas, 2004 WI App 115, ¶ 16, 274 Wis. 2d 513, 683 N.W.2d 497 (“[T]he right to bear arms is a qualified right, subject to reasonable restrictions under the state’s police power”). 3

¶4. In State v. Schwebke, 2002 WI 55, ¶ 24, 253 Wis. 2d 1, 644 N.W.2d 666 (footnote omitted), the Wisconsin Supreme Court established the contours of Wisconsin’s disorderly conduct statute:
Wisconsin Stat. § 947.01 . . . states as follows: “Whoever, in a public or private place, engages in violent, abusive, indecent, profane, boisterous, unreasonably loud or otherwise disorderly conduct under circumstances in which the conduct tends to cause or provoke a disturbance is guilty of a Class B misdemeanor.” The State must prove two elements to convict a defendant under this statute. State v. Douglas D., 2001 WI 47, ¶ 15, 243 Wis. 2d 204, 626 N.W.2d 725. “First, it must prove that the defendant engaged in violent, abusive, indecent, profane, boisterous, unreasonably loud, or similar disorderly conduct.” Id. “Second, it must prove that the defendant's conduct occurred under circumstances where such conduct tends to cause or provoke a disturbance.” Id. An objective analysis of the conduct and circumstances of each particular case must be undertaken because what may constitute disorderly conduct under some circumstances may not under others. See State v. A.S., 2001 WI 48, ¶ 33, 243 Wis. 2d 173, 626 N.W.2d 712.
See also State v. Maker, 48 Wis. 2d 612, 616, 180 N.W.2d 707 (1970) (footnote omitted):

This court's emphasis upon the relatedness of conduct and circumstances in the statute is no more than a recognition of the fact that what would constitute

established under the constitutions, statutes, regulations and administrative rules of the United States of America and the State of Wisconsin.

3 Prosecutors and law enforcement officers should bear in mind that, in addition to the felon-in-possession statute, other statutory limitations on possession of firearms remain in full force and effect. They apply to certain situations involving both open and concealed carry. See, e.g., Wis. Stat. §§ 167.31 (specifying manner in which persons may lawfully use and transport firearms); 941.20 (endangering safety by use of dangerous weapon, various circumstances); 941.235 (carrying firearm in public building); 941.237 (carrying handgun where alcohol may be sold and consumed); 948.60 (possession of firearm by juveniles, with sporting exceptions); 948.605 (possession and use of firearms in school zones).


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disorderly conduct in one set of circumstances, might not under some other. When a famed jurist observed, ‘The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic,’ the comment related to the crowdedness of the theater as well as to the loudness of the shout. It is the combination of conduct and circumstances that is crucial in applying the statute to a particular situation.

¶5. The decision to charge a defendant with disorderly conduct necessarily depends on the totality of the circumstances. Reasonableness, not bright-line rules, should guide your decision. See, e.g., State v. Werstein, 60 Wis. 2d 668, 671-72, 211 N.W.2d 437 (1973) (“Wisconsin’s disorderly conduct statute proscribes conduct in terms of results which can reasonably be expected therefrom, rather than attempting to enumerate the limitless number of anti-social acts which a person could engage in that would menace, disrupt or destroy public order”) (footnote omitted). Even when an act facially resembles the exercise of a protected right, the facts and circumstances of a case may give rise to a disorderly conduct charge. For example, the First Amendment of the United States Constitution and Article I, § 3 of the Wisconsin Constitution both protect the right to freedom of speech. Yet it has long been recognized that speech-only activity can cross the line between protected expression and disorderly conduct. See, e.g., Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568, 571 (1942) (“t is well understood that the right of free speech is not absolute at all times and under all circumstances”); accord State v. Zwicker, 41 Wis. 2d 497, 510, 164 N.W.2d 512 (1969). See also Terminiello v. City of Chicago, 337 U.S. 1, 4 (1949) (noting that some categories of speech are “likely to produce a clear and present danger of a serious substantive evil that rises far above public inconvenience, annoyance, or unrest”).

¶6. Applying these principles to open carry matters, we recognize that under certain circumstances, openly carrying a firearm may contribute to a disorderly conduct charge. But this determination must take into account the constitutional protection afforded by Article I, § 25 of the Wisconsin Constitution. The Department believes that mere open carry of a firearm, absent additional facts and circumstances, should not result in a disorderly conduct charge. For example, a hunter openly carrying a rifle or shotgun on his property during hunting season while quietly tracking game should not face a disorderly conduct charge. But if the same hunter carries the same rifle or shotgun through a crowded street while barking at a passerby, the conduct may lose its constitutional protection. See Werstein, 60 Wis. 2d at 672-73 (collecting cases illustrating disorderly conduct) (“In each of these cases, convictions for being ‘otherwise disorderly’ resulted from the inappropriateness of specific conduct because of the circumstances involved”) (emphasis added).4

4 While Werstein preceded the adoption of Article I, § 25, we believe the emphasized principle still applies.


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¶7. The same concepts should apply to handguns. The state constitutional right to bear arms extends to openly carrying a handgun for lawful purposes. As illustrated by a recent municipal court case in West Allis, a person openly carrying a holstered handgun on his own property while doing lawn work should not face a disorderly conduct charge.5 If, however, a person brandishes a handgun in public, the conduct may lose its constitutional protection. Again, “t is the combination of conduct and circumstances that is crucial in applying the [disorderly conduct] statute to a particular situation.” Maker, 48 Wis. 2d at 616.

¶8. Finally, several law enforcement agencies have asked whether, in light of Article I, § 25, they may stop a person openly carrying a firearm in public to investigate possible criminal activity, including disorderly conduct. We say yes. An officer may stop and briefly detain a person for investigative purposes (known as an investigative or Terry stop) if he has “reasonable suspicion,” based on articulable facts, of criminal activity. Illinois v. Wardlow, 528 U.S. 119, 123 (2000); United States v. Sokolow, 490 U.S. 1, 7 (1989); Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 30 (1968). The existence of reasonable suspicion depends on the totality of the circumstances, including the information known to the officer and any reasonable inferences to be drawn at the time of the stop. United States v. Arvizu, 544 U.S. 266 (2002) (reaffirming “totality of the circumstances” test). Even though open carry enjoys constitutional protection, it may still give rise to reasonable suspicion when considered in totality. It is not a shield against police investigation or subsequent prosecution. See State v. Anderson, 155 Wis. 2d 77, 84, 454 N.W.2d 763 (1990) (police officers not required to first eliminate the possibility of innocent behavior before making investigatory stop).

¶9. And “even when officers have no basis for suspecting a particular individual, they may generally ask questions of that individual, [and] ask to examine the individual's identification,” as long as the police do not convey a message that compliance is mandatory. Florida v. Bostick, 501 U.S. 429, 434-35 (1991). The Fourth Amendment does not prevent police from making voluntary or consensual contact with persons engaged in constitutionally protected conduct. See United States v. Mendenhall, 446 U.S. 544, 553-54 (1980). Accordingly, a law enforcement officer does not violate the Fourth Amendment by approaching an individual in public and asking questions. Florida v. Royer, 460 U.S. 491, 497 (1983). An officer may approach and question someone as long as the questions, the circumstances and the officer's behavior do not convey to the subject that he must comply with the requests. Bostick, 501 U.S. at 435-36. The person approached need not answer any questions. As long as he or she remains free to walk away, there has been no intrusion on liberty requiring a particularized and objective Fourth Amendment justification. See Mendenhall, 446 U.S. at 554.

5 See Linda Spice, “West Allis Man Not Guilty In Open Carry Gun Case,” Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Feb. 17, 2009, online at < http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/39722082.html> (last visited March 26, 2009).


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¶10. For further information on this subject, please feel free to contact Assistant Attorneys General Greg Weber at 608.266.3935, or Roy Korte at 608.267.1339.
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i love any and all states that are open carry. i just moved to new mexico with the army and was pleased to see that state was open carry, plus no one seems to mind my 1911 holstered at my hip.
 
Even though WA is an open carry State, it still depends on where you do it, there are people who "get the ethers" at the sight of a holstered firearm on John Q public...

Personally, I could care less if some one open carried, though I usually carry IWB...
 
We in Wisconsin have been looking for guidance from AG Van Holen for some time. Open carry is our only option. Let's see how this will turn out, with the "reasonable suspicion" opinion he puts forth.
 
What is open carry?

If I wear a pistol on my hip and it's cold (as happens in Wi) and I wear a jacket is that open carry or concealed carry? I've asked the local DA for guidence and have not heard back yet. Next few weeks should be intersting...
 
The laws on OC are different from state to state. In Virginia there is no law prohibiting OC so it is inherently legal. What we then go by is if it is not concealed it is open. Concealed in VA is a firearm on or about your person that is hidden from common observation. So to answer your questions. By VA definition on your hip and covered would be considered concealed and require a permit. I would check your state law.
 
WI AG, Confirms Open Carry is "Legal".

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/43302252.html

This is something that various groups, the WCCA, OpenCarry, and others have been pushing J.B, Van Hollen to do to help force the issue of both open carry and shall-issue concealed carry in WI.

We just had a recent big dissapointment from him where he'd refused to issue an opinion on the matter, apparently he's reversed himself.

Either Doyle and the Democrat dominated Legislature will continue to ignore this, or we'll have a different kind of fight on our hands. Instead of an offensive action to push through a shall-issue CCW bill, we may now be facing a defensive battle to make sure we get a good shall-issue CCW bill in WI.
 
Grew up in the cheese state and hope that they pass a cc law so I can still carry when I go to visit family. Sounds like good news.
 
It really should happen. The current situation there is a travesty--Wisconsin, as a result of the huge percentage of people who hunt, probably has as high a percentage as any place in the U.S. of people who own guns and know how to use them responsibly. Additionally, despite a large-ish cities, like left-leaning Madison, most of Wisconsin is very rural. As most of us country folk know, you really are on your own when it comes to matters of self-defense.

I hope it happens in Wisconsin . . . of course, that will leave us Illinoisans as the only ones without any form of concealed carry. :rolleyes:
 
Well surprisingly Illinois has had some significant legislative activity recently. And IIRC several sherriffs have spoken in favor of CCW as well, citing the overwhelming number of states that already have it.

I still think that Chicago will use it's influence to kill it, but until right now, you had more going for you than WI did.

IMO, either state that gets it first will help put pressure on the other, IMO, so I see it as win-win, whatever happens.
 
You guys (cheeseheads) need to set up some open carry rallies that will draw media attention and not subject any one person to police abuse. The cops will be far less willing to harass anyone when there are 20 witnesses, a couple of video cameras, and media coverage.
 
All it will take to get concealed carry in IL is for a pro-gun group to unfurl a banner at Soldier Field at gametime explaining how the Green Bay Packers really can pack.
 
All it will take to get concealed carry in IL is for a pro-gun group to unfurl a banner at Soldier Field at gametime explaining how the Green Bay Packers really can pack.

That seems like a winner to me.
 
Legal Carry in Wisconsin

Carried in a holster is partially concealed but legal per the AG memo and the Supreme Court. If your coat covers it, then that is concealed. It must be exposed.
 
Wisconsin Open Carry Picnics

Visit OpenCarry.org. Picnics are being planned throughout the state.
 
I can't help but wonder just how open is open? IWB with just the grip visible is open? Black pistol IWB and a black shirt still open?

Looks like I need to buy a fancy holster and learn to OC...
 
What is the definition of "concealed" per Wisconsin statute?

Just go look it up on your state's website, google is your friend.

Based on other states I'm familiar with the text will probably read something like "a weapon is concealed if it cannot be identified as a weapon without moving a covering item or garment".

So IWB without a shirt or jacket over it is usually considered open carry. Get too much shirttail billowed out over the top though and it can come down to officer discretion. Hopefully all they will do is tell you to tuck it back in a bit.
 
I'm not sure I'd get so excited. This is an informal advisory and does not prevent the arrest or prosecution of someone open carrying for disorderly conduct. It does seem like a start, but doesn't legally binding in any way. Just my $0.02.
 
Yes, I saw that this last week. I have been open carrying for the last 3 years or so and had never been questioned about it. I had only done it in rural areas, but it prevents a lot of arguments for me. I am a land surveyor in Wisconsin, and can legally go wherever I need to do my job, with or without permission. I usually ask first if someone is home, but quite often no one is home when I go in but they are there when I come out. Before I started to OC I had a lot of people get in my face and threaten me. And had on 3 occasions had people come out with shotguns, etc. I've even had cops drive by when I'm working along the highway and they have never questioned me about it. But it is nice to have the AG make it a little more official. Esp. since we cannot CC.
 
Dollars to donuts says that he is planning a run for governor. He picks up the pro-carry folks, runs on fiscal responsibility, tough on crime and bam! right into office.
 
J. B. Van Hollen will be lucky if he gets re-elected as attorney general. He's not well respected, even amongst many conservatives.

Too bad. The guy showed promise.
 
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