Wish there was H&K USP 10mm!

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Dear THR:
I wish there was a 10mm in H&K line up. How many of you H&K boys think the same?

Would you buy 'em? I know I would in a heart beat.

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For me, when I need more horsepower than the current service calibers can provide, I gravitate towards the .357 MAG. Usually that's only when I'm hiking, so the 6 round capacity is liveable.

I don't think HK has any interest in making any more 10mm firearms after the MP5 they made to pacify the FBI. It's more of a niche market in that caliber, and HK guns are already a niche in themselves. A niche within a niche? Probably never happen.

You can always load some 45 Supers in your USP45f! ;)
 
My H&K USP .40 S&W kicks quite enough for me, thank you. On the other hand, I have zero investment in 10mm ammo or reloading equipment or supplies; if I did, I have to admit my tune would be different.
 
I was in the process of converting my USP40 to 10mm before I deployed recently. It's not that big a project, although the mags are proving to be a pain. Doable, but some work.

So if you want one, it can be done. But yeah, a factory option would be nice.
 
I'm sure it could be done, but it wouldn't be cheap. You'd probably need to start off with a USP in .45, and then have a custom shop convert it to 10mm. I believe a group from Sig Forum got a bunch of people together for a group conversion of 220s from .45 to 10mm a few years ago. That could be a good place to start looking if you're serious about getting a USP in 10mm.
 
that would be nice. then I wouldn't have to get a glock 20/29. I'd probably take a usp10 compact though


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That Mk23 should be upgraded to Mk X in 10mm. More capacity and with that gun recoil is non issue and it would be IN FACT an Offensive Handgun.


And USP10, and USP 10C

And H&K 10

Etc.
 
I wish there was a 10mm but not a USP. All the newer HK designs (p30, HK45, P2000, etc) are a big step forward forward from the clunky USP.

I'm guessing 10mm in the ill conceived MK23 would sell even more poorly. There is a reason HK discontinued that thing.

Now something akin to the HK45 and 45C in 10 mm would be a cool gun.

I really wish steyr would make a 10 mm with its low bore axis and soft shooting characteristics. IMHO the M40A1 is notably less snappy than a USP in forty. I actually am hoping to to some timed drills to see if the difference is quantifiable for me.

The more 10mms the better though.
 
I'd be happy with any additions to the limited choices we have for 10mm with 10+ capacity.

I'd love an M&P 10mm or a XDm 4.5 or 5.25 in 10mm, but being that's not going to happen, I'm eventually going to end up with a gen4 G20. Maybe I'll slap a 6" Lone Wolf barrel and slide on it.
 
How about:

A steel Ruger P series in 10mm.
A Redhawk in 10mm.
A Ruger Mini in 10mm.
A run of S&W 1006s, blued with wood grips.
A non-Olympic Arms AR in 10mm with real magazines.
A factory Glock 20SF with a long slide.
A Springfield XD in 10mm.

Oh, I could keep going on forever.

For the record I own a 1076 and a Kimber Stainless Target II and I am not just throwing stuff out there, I would buy one or more of the above. Especially a very reliable carbine in 10mm with its own magazines.
 
I have seen a prototype H&K 1911 in 10MM. When fired, crime in 5 states came to a sudden grinding halt with the sheer awesomeness found in that combo.
Unfortunately, making them tends to burn through skilled labor as they cannot handle the strain either. Only 4 are known to exist and no 2 can be on the same continent at the same time.
 
Telekinesis said:
I'm sure it could be done, but it wouldn't be cheap. You'd probably need to start off with a USP in .45, and then have a custom shop convert it to 10mm. I believe a group from Sig Forum got a bunch of people together for a group conversion of 220s from .45 to 10mm a few years ago. That could be a good place to start looking if you're serious about getting a USP in 10mm.

It's not that huge a deal. You could start with either a .40 or a .45 but personally I think the .45 is more work.

Starting with a .40:
Ream the chamber to 10mm with a finish reamer. Put stronger recoil springs in it. This is where my .40 is right now. It'll chamber and fire ONE 10mm from a .40 mag. It'll extract and eject the empty. Sadly the COAL is too long for a 10mm to be loaded in a .40 mag in any position except the top one, so there's more work. The Ejection port is also too short to eject a loaded 10mm round. So you can either mill out the ejection port and refinish the slide, or drop the mag first and unload through the mag well. As far as mag choices, I have found two. The 10mm round will fit in a USP .45 mag, but that mag is just a touch too large for the magwell of a .40. (you can jam it about 2/3 of the way in before it gets suck.) So you could very carefully take about .005" off each side of the inside of the magwell and a tic over .010" off the rear face. It lookslike there's room to do that without getting in the way of the main spring. You have to leave the front wall of the magwell alone because that's where the mag catch is. Also if you take too much off the rear wall the mag catch won't engage the front of the mag. After you open the magwell you should be able to load 10mm in a usp45 mag and fire it through your (previously) usp.40. The mag will protrude a bit from the bottom of the grip but it looks as though the feed lips will be at the right height. That's probably the easiest way, especially if you don't open up the ejection port.

I didn't like playing with the frame because I'm trying to make one I can switch back and forth. so Mag option 2: (Note: I started this in project in the early part of 2013 when Mags were unobtainium, so I haven't tried any of this part myself yet) I'm told that a STI 2011 mag will fit in the magwell of a USP. So if you add a divot in the front to grab the mag catch it should work just fine. STI also makes 10mm 2011 mags so the feedlips should be better (narrower) then a .45 mag. The STI mag will stick out farther and the baseplate will be at an angle other then horizontal, but that should be fixable with some careful mods to the bottom of the mag. We'll see when I have mags and myself in the same state at the same time. Personally I think the modded STI mags will be the way to go.

If you want to start with a USP .45, obviously the mag problem is solved, but you will need a whole new barrel either in 10mm or in .40 that yo ream out yourself. And the breechface will be too wide. You will either need to weld up and re mill the breechface (and move the ejector and extractor closer together) or deal with the rounds having too much lateral play in the feed/extraction cycle. I *think* you'd find that having a wide breech would lead to reliability issues in the converted firearm. Also if you change the breechface you'd have to fit the new barrel to whatever changes you had made. Overall there's a lot more careful machining in this option.

There's some threads and pics floating around the internet of others that made 10mm USP's successfully. I think it will be cool when finished. I would have just bought a factory one if it was offered though.

Also FWIW it was Bruce Gray over at Gray Guns that converted the Sig220's to 10mm. I'm sure he could make a USP for you, but he's a talented smith, and talent isn't cheap.
 
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