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With all the HI-POINT guns out there which is..........

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Glocker, Dec 19, 2005.

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  1. Glocker

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    O.K. I might buy one to see what all the talk is about. But, which one is the best to perform? What caliber performs the best? Hey everyone can use a good truck gun in the old tool box, right?
     
  2. whm1974

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    I just brought a .45 one, havn't shot it yet.
    Maybe the 9 compact?

    -Bill
     
  3. bpisler

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    Buy the 9mm,cheaper ammo than the 380,40sw
    or the 45acp.
     
  4. dracphelan

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    My wife has the 9mm pistol with recoil compensator, and loves it.
     
  5. VirgilCaine

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    Buy a new one, I have heard the older ones were just as jam-o-matic as other guns at their price, but after a certain point the company worked the kinks out.
     
  6. idahoberetta9000s

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    Save your money and buy something worthwhile.
     
  7. meef

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    Just out of curiosity - you base this recommendation on what personal experience?

    :scrutiny:
     
  8. hotpig

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    My brother and I both got them when they hit the market. The 9mm full size (no compact made yet)was right at 99.00 including sales tax and dealer fees. It had thousands of rounds through it with no repairs and not a single malfunction.

    When the carbine came out in 1997(?)we both got them. Again never any problems. If the guns suddenly went DOA today I could not complain. We have got our moneys worth of fun out of them.
     
  9. gudel

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    i saw saw a local shop had a deal, buy one gun and get a hi point for $99. at that price, who cares about the caliber to get, get all of them. :D
     
  10. ruger270man

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    I'll get one, just to have another pistol.

    hell, for a little over $100, why not?

    but then again.. i could get a CZ52 or Star BM 9mm for the same price :cool:
     
  11. jeepmor

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    Why do Hi Points get a bad rap?

    I have not read anything bad about recent HiPoints in regards to reliable function. I know their not high dollar "gunsnob" guns, but they appear to be quite reliable by the accounts that I read in here.

    What gives with folks, they're cheap and reliable. Well that just can't be......mmmmm..... must have some $700 gun that goes straight to the gunsmith for work.....grrr. I liken it to the crowd that is really into german cars (bmw, mercedes, audi, porsche). They are not reliable compared to the market (actually at the bottom of the bell curve). They need lots of work and money to keep them running properly, but that status symbol seems to override all common sense of having something that goes BANG every time the trigger is pulled.

    Showing off your bank account at the range and protecting your life and property have nothing to do with each other. BGs don't stop and ask, hey is that a Glock, Kimber, Para, Taurus, HiPoint, Cobra etc. They go, drat, he's got a gun, outta here man.

    The more I read here the more I see people just thinking their opinions are facts, there's a difference. Porsche may make some sweet rides, but they're like a rich girl. They require a LOT of upkeep and money, their finicky, and hardly worth the work required to maintain them in my opinion. But we all want trophies occasionally don't we fellas.

    jeepmor
     
  12. gudel

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    all those cars problematic? that's news to me :D i thought it was the domestic ones that are crap. :barf:
     
  13. jeepmor

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    Consumer reports for guns?

    I work with a lot of people who own BMW's. They have some busy mechanics, busier than mine. I own a Subaru, and a jeep....ouch, jeep, reliable..:banghead: should not be used in same sentence.....ooops, foot, mouth...connection. honesty can be an undoing.

    I use consumer reports for car selections, do they offer gun reviews? Y'know, reviews that are not tinged by any advertising or marketing inextriciably being tied together and blurring the true performance.

    jeepmor

    did not want to start a car war, but if we must. My opinion, stock sucks......84 CJ7, modified to the gills. The more chevy parts I put on that thing, the better it runs. :D
     
  14. gudel

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    i personally drive japanese car. although the name is japanese, but it is actually built in america by some of you hillbilly in tennessee :D
     
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    1. When they first came out, there were some problems. Just like almost any new product. But, they are corrected now.
    2. They are ugly and cheap looking.
    3. Brand loyalty/snobbery.

    After going to several different boards, I've come to a conclusion. There are people out there who either don't remember, or have never experienced, a point where a $200 purchase can only be done with some serious scrimping and saving every 6 months or so. They show this in a snobbery toward cheaper items (cars, computers, firearms, clothes, etc...) and cheaper places to shop.
     
  16. saands

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    Jeep:
    Where do you live? I wanna move there ... The BGs around here NEVER say "drat!" :p ;)

    As for the Star BM being the same price ... let me say from recent experience that they are hit and miss ... I got one that had a heck of a time ejecting anything and they after shipping and fees they can't be had for the same price as a new C9. I hadn't read anything good about the HiPoints until recently and I'd never seen one. But last week my local FFL got a couple ... the first one sold less than 30 minutes after the UPS guy was there and I'll be surprised if the second one is still there when I drop in next time. Not sure yet if I'll try one, but after all the comments about them being big, heavy and ugly, I was pleasantly surprised by what I held. The C-9 was no subcompact, but it isn't huge ... it's no looker like a GP35 either, but it wasn't actually UGLY ... and it didn't feel any heavier than a Star BM ... just more top heavy. Looks to me like a solid value for someone on a tight budget.

    Saands
     
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    Hi-Point, the Hyundai of the gun world. Yeah, there were problems at first and things have improved but I still wouldn't buy one unless it was all I could afford. I'm not gonna knock you for owning one though.
     
  18. duncan

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    Good advice.

    Think of a gun as a dangerous instrument. Do you want it built by the lowest bidder with your life possibly depending on it?

    They may work - but not when you need it.

    When a gun is below a certain price point - the maker cuts somewhere.

    Second best design to save 10%
    Low cost - less durable materials - low quality steel
    Service means a new gun since it's easier than actually fixing it
    Lower quality metal means no hot ammo - so self defense and lots of practice is not a good idea on an inexpensive gun

    Some have called me a gun snob. I am.

    Cheap guns save lots of police officer's lives every year. Why would you risk your life that way - even if it is a trunk gun?

    Why settle for less?:uhoh:
     
  19. duncan

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    Good points.

    I don't like Hi-Points because they are . . .[​IMG]

    I've seen too many HiPoints that shoot like crap - 20 foot targets that look like shotgun patterns. If it's not accurate, why shoot it.

    Third, the blueing (if you can call it that) is more like a spray-on coating and I've seen half a dozen that literally were peeling. Bad finishes even for cheap guns.

    I've even shot a couple to please my friends. They wanted me to put down my Glocks and Sigs and shoot their HiPoints. I let them shoot mine too. They dumped their Hi-Points and bought Glocks, Sigs, or HKs within a couple of paychecks.

    When you shoot better guns, it's hard to accept anything less.

    That's why.

    As to $$$$$ . . .
    Saving takes patience but for good guns, I'll cut my budget or work on my own German imports. If you've ever driven a nice 850csi, or a Porsche 911 Turbo, you'll never buy an American sports car. Sure they are expensive, so learn how to work on your car - just like your guns.
     
  20. duncan

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    Eat ramon noodles, drink cheap beer, but buy quality guns!

    Hi Points and other cheap sub $200 guns - even my Kel Tec P32 fits here:

    [​IMG]

    Glocks, Sigs, HKs, SW PC, and other $400 plus handguns:

    [​IMG]
     
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    We need more comparison's like this one. Point made and taken out back to .... oh nevermind.
     
  22. dracphelan

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    I wonder how much of that is the shooter. At 25 yards, my wife has 2" groups at the center of the target with her High Point. This is the first and only pistol she has ever owned.

    Before I sold it to my friend, I was shooting 1" groups at 50 yards with my High Point carbine.

    These "shotgun patterns" at 20 feet are either the shooter or they haven't taken proper care of their weapon.
     
  23. mosttoyswins

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    No offense intended, but I call BS shooting 2" groups from 25 YARDS with a Hi Point...:rolleyes:

    There was a big discussion about group sizes at 25yds. on TFL and the concensus was shooting those kind of groups consistently at that distance with combat handguns is reserved for the elite shooters. I shoot at least twice a week and can carve one ragged hole at 10yds with my Sig P226. 25 yds. is a different animal, 4 to 5" groups are considered "good", hell 8 on a plate from 25yds is OK with a pistol.

    Defending Hi Points are one thing but overexaggerating their performance to try to make a point is another thing.

    PS: If your wife can shoot these kind of groups with her Hi Point she she quit whatever she is doing and shoot professionally...just think what she could do with a tuned up bulls eye shooter! Probably put 10 shots in the same hole at 25yds!
     
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    Let me just add one thing to this debate. THe Hi Point has become the most frequently encountered gun among criminals in central Ohio, most frequently in .380 or 9mm (no, I don't have stats to back this up, only my own experiences handling gun cases.). I have yet to see one which was not fully functional. At the same time, I have seen "quality" firearms taken from criminals which had problems.

    The Hi Points are big, ugly, and cheap. They feel like garbage in my hand. But, they are apparently durable, very reliable, and economical. Not my first choice, since I can (and have) afford better guns. If I was poor, I'd get one and feel safer.
     
  25. duncan

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    I agree.

    The only people I have seen that can shoot sub 1 MOA at 25 yards are competitive shooters using tuned reloads and several SWAT guys I know.

    I can only get that kind of consistent performance out of my HKP7 handgun with the right handloads. But the majority of the shooters at the range (civilian or cop) can only get around 5-inch groups at that yardage.
     
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