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With Fred out, a new strategy

Discussion in 'Activism' started by joemerchant24, Jan 22, 2008.

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  1. joemerchant24

    joemerchant24 Member

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    For too long the GOP has taken the gun vote for granted.

    After all, they say, who else will be vote for... Democrats?

    Well, now that they've chased Fred (no support from HQ), I've had it.

    This year, the entire gun culture needs to vote third party. I don't care which third party, either. Vote Paul, vote Kucinich, vote Reform, vote Libertarian, vote Gree, vote Cyclon, vote Scientologist.

    Just don't vote mainstream.

    If the GOP sees we actually have the intestinal fortitude to vote third party, they might rethink their ways come 2010.

    Before you tell me its a wasted vote, I want you to tell me how voting for McCain, Huck, Mitt, Rudy, Hilary, Obama, or Edwards is NOT A WASTED VOTE.

    Gunowners are screwed no matter who wins.

    So, let's put our votes to good use and vote third party. We're gonna get saddled with an anti-gun liberal no matter who wins, so we might as well use our vote to send a message for 2010.
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  2. Cougfan2

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    Sorry, but I will hold my nose and vote for any of the republicans if it keeps Hillary or Obama out of the Oval Office. :barf: I know it may be the lesser of evils, but if Hillary or Obama get elected they will actively pursue registration and gun bans. I don't think there is as much danger of that with the republicans even with Gulliani.
     
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    Interesting thought but good luck in getting it to work....I say we pencil in someone(fictional or dead preferably) like Sam Colt, or John Browning.
     
  4. LT1coupe

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    Sometimes is about picking the lessor of the evils. By doing what you suggest, you're letting others decide your fate. I value my right to vote & won't piss it away.......
     
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    Pretty sad that in a Democracy of 300,000,000 THESE are our choices.:(
     
  6. joemerchant24

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    So you consider voting for a person who has a record of trying to kill your rights... including rights you obviously hold dear... is not a wasted vote?

    Voting for the lesser of two evils just makes for more evil the next time around.

    Look what the GOP has reduced us to... Someone is actually trying to rationalize that Rudy G. "might not be as bad" on guns.

    Think about that. That's what the GOP has forced on us.

    Others (Dem and Rep national parties) have already decided my fate. As a gunowner, I'm boned.
     
  7. au1776

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    I'm not a single-issue voter, but that may be a rarity around here.
     
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    thread lock in sight.
     
  9. Autolycus

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    Why does the original poster assume that we were going to vote for Fred "The Fatboy" Thompson in the first place? Some of my friends are 2nd Amendment advocates but were planning on voting Democrat.

    Others are voting for Libertarians or Greens. I myself am voting for Ron Paul as he is the one I wish to see take the primary. Gun rights are not the only rights, no matter what. The ability to raise your child as you see fit, the ability to ingest what you want, and the ability to marry who you wish are very important to me. Fred Thomspon was an enemy of those things.

    So as of right now, I am voting for Ron Paul. Unless someone who I agree with more than Ron Paul comes along, then he is getting my vote.
     
  10. MDMadrid

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    Fortunately or unfortunately (you decide) RKBA is not the only issue we face as a nation. To vote on only this issue is a mistake. Take a step back and try to look at the big picture. (smoking a cigar will help!)
     
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    Sorry,

    Fred never gained traction. The man campaigned like he was a kid in high school waiting for that bell to ring on Friday afternoon so he could get out of it. When he was woken up from his nap, got his coffee, read the paper, and then decided to campaign, it was time to go back to sleep. The few times he showed any kind of fire, he'd go back to his laconic rituals.

    He was too little too late, and frankly too dull.

    Still, that being said, I refuse to vote for a third party in this election. Until something like the Republican party comes along like it did in the 1850s, I am not interested.
    The Libertarians have some good ideas, but don't have a plan for how they will work in the real world.
    The Greens, well let's just say that the only thing I agree with them on is Green is made from a combination of Yellow and Blue.

    I refuse to vote for the Democrats because they are all gun-grabbing, tax-hiking, socialists who want to let Richard Simmons run National Security because our current foreign policy "offends" those who hate us anyway.

    I will vote for the Republican Candidate, even if it's McCain, unless it's Giuliani whom I consider worse than the Democrat candidates.

    Then, I sit out this election and wait for the 2010 Congressional elections where we win it all back.
     
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    Gridlock '08
     
  13. Markbo

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    It is exactly that strategy that got Bill Clinton in office when Bush 1 lost because Ross Perot siphoned off a large percentage of the conservative vote.

    I suggest another strategy, like let's pick a mainstream candidate and do whatever we can to them in office!
     
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    Paul isn't a third party candidate and won't be one.

    Vote Republican.. Vote Paul.
     
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    I fear it is. That's why Paul get so much support on THR.

    Gaaa. I guess Giuliani is my next choice. Damnit Fred.


    -T.
     
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    When 2010 comes around, if we do not act in 2008, it will be too late.

    Ash
     
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    Vote for the GOP candidate, then campaign like hell for a GOP leaning Congress that would help reduce any pressure on the President to sign new gun laws.
     
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    The next POTUS will serve for 8 years at the most. If a Dem is elected then I see Ruth Ginsberg retiring from the Supreme Court. Two other SCOTUS positions will likely become vacant in the next 4-8 years to be filled by our new president/s. I think Hillary would nominate Bill to that vacancy or any opening in the court. Just to get him out of the White house. He will make a mockery of that position for the next 25 (+!) years just as he did to the presidency for 8.
    I'll not see that happen if I can prevent it, even if I have to hold my nose and vote for McCain. Several Dems I have talked to have stated they would vote for McCain if the Dem candidate were Hillary.
    The election will be won because of defections by members at the middle of one party or the other (meaning "centrist" Dems and "moderate" repubs), not by voters at the fringes. Single issue voters, unfortunately, represent part of that fringe.
     
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    You don't know very much about libertarianism then. It's not about fixing current problems but rather putting a system in place that will keep those problems from occurring again. Everything Paul has said applies to the real world.

    I remember the people supporting Thompson before he officially announced his candidacy. I never really thought much of him because frankly, why wait so long to decide to campaign? He never really struck me as being serious enough.
     
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    Gun owners are screwed with Huck:confused:

    Might want to brush on Huck's 2 Amendment background and credentials. Fred "I won't tell what guns I own" Thompson is a gun liberal compared to Huck!

    As to the rest, I do not think we have to worry about Romney or Rudy. McCain will still be better than any of the Dems.
     
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    uhhhh, lets not get too carried away. You ever see that guys voting record? especially on gun rights? Water guns would be illegal if that guy got his way.

    Its embarrassing to let people know he comes from my home state of Ohio. How he keeps getting elected to congress Ill never know.........
     
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    I spent over 20 years in the uniform of the US Army. Got badly injured in the process. I did not serve and fight so that a feel good POTUS could send his lackey to the SCOTUS to fight against my right to own a gun. I could care less about all the feel good stuff like gay marriage, abortion, flag burning. etc. My Second Amendment rights are the most important rights that I am provided by the US constitution.

    I belonged to the Republican party for over five decades. Have contributed money until it hurt. No more contributions to the Republican party-ever. IMO: Republicans have forfeited their right to rule this country.

    Ain't drinking the Republican Kool Aid any more. Ain't going to hold my nose and vote Republican. I will vote for the incumbent county sheriff who is a Democrat as I always have. I will vote against every Republican who holds state office in my district. I will vote against Inhofe and Cole.

    For president, I will write in the name of the local dog catcher who I know well.
     
  23. Cougfan2

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    joemerchant24, all I remember is when I and a bunch of people voted for Ross Perot out of frustration with both the Repubs and Dems, that is what swept Bill Clinton into office. I won't be making a mistake like that again.
     
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    au1776- +1 on not being a single issue voter.

    I would vote for Yassar Arafat before I voted for Obama and would probably vote for Adi Amin before I voted for Clinton. If John McCain stood up today and said I will institute a similar gun policy as Clinton, you can bet your A$% that I would still vote for him.
     
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    I've voted for "the lesser of two evils" before, it was a wasted vote and a contribution to the endless gungrabing cycle among other things. Not voting for the right man is a wasted vote. I want the Mayor of Crazytown to turn things around. Ron Paul 08.
     
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