Standing Wolf
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Realistically speaking: we won.
Next question.
Next question.
Not the sole reason we wanted to go (we've got tons of those), but the only one that gave our actions any legitimacy. That may be a vague concept that doesn't have any obvious importance in the real world though...What I find even more shocking is the percentage of folks out there under the mistaken impression that the hunt for WMDs was the sole reason for the Iraqi campaign and that not finding them ever would somehow invalidate any other rationale.
For example, I can report "DonQatU asserts that the trucks discovered in Iraq are not mobile biological labs."
Are you incapable of grasping so simple a concept as a report? I have committed to the validity of nothing other than that NPR did make a report.So NOW we've got DRC and Destructo saying that the NPR report was true.
Thank-You BOTH for committing to the record!
Uh Huh. For birthday parties for the arty Commander, right?facilities for the production of hydrogen gas to fill balloons.'
What's funny about a desperate attempt by the Democrats to discredit Bush....
Everyone but the US and our allies.Legitimacy in the eyes of whom exactly?
The UN was working on building the legitimacy required to go indo Iraq, get rid of Saddam, and remove any WMD's found. It was trying to do so by proving that Saddam had failed to live up to a contractual agreement he signed after the gulf war. It was taking a while.
Legitimacy in the eyes of whom exactly? Everyone but the US and our allies.
Look, we're at a point in history where it's considered unlawful for one country to initiate force against another for reasons like "I just didn't like the guy," or "I wanted some of the resources that they had access to," or "I'm destined by God to rule over all of this land," or anything like that. Force is allowed in defense, and for few other reasons.
The UN was working on building the legitimacy required to go into Iraq, get rid of Saddam, and remove any WMD's found. It was trying to do so by proving that Saddam had failed to live up to a contractual agreement he signed after the gulf war. It was taking a while.
We decided to step up and say "the hell with this, we're going in now even if we have to go all by ourselves." Our justification for doing so was a little twisted -- something like "this is a defensive action, only he hasn't attacked us yet. That's OK though, as we have intelligence that proves that Saddam Hussein is an immediate threat to our nation, and we are fairly certain that there will be ugly consequences if we don't go immediately. And no, you can't see the intelligence we're referencing -- we'll prove our point once we're in control in Iraq."
Our source of legitimacy was secret proof that Hussein was capable of using chem/bio weapons against us, and most like willing to do so. Without that we had absolutely no right to start bombing Iraq. Saying "but he's a bad dude, and the world is a better place without him" doesn't offer the legitimacy required to attack another nation in the modern world. Doing so even undermines our arguments against terrorism -- if a bunch of Saudis living in Afghanistan saw us as literally Satan, are they allowed to do something like drive airplanes into the pentagon in some sort of defensive pre-emptive strike?
The short answer is "no." And in the international court, you can't think it's OK to stand up and say "these are the rules we've built over centuries, but they don't apply to the country that I run."
That's because Don's vehicle only is able to turn left!This thread goes in more circles than the Indy 500.