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Discussion in 'Legal' started by SkunkApe, May 8, 2003.

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  1. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

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    Aside from the "Get Bush!" politics of the WMD issue, there is always the U.S. societal problem of "Right now!" instant gratification. That is, if Saddam had 'em, we wanna see 'em, right now!

    The fact that he had four uninspected years to move stuff, ship stuff out of country, bury stuff deep--hey, that doesn't really matter, does it?

    And when you read about how relatively simple it is for a trained person to create anthrax or VX, and more particularly considering this person--or group--would have the resources of an entire country readily to hand, you don't need to have easily-found stockpiles.

    But, hey, life is as simple as a TV prime-timer, right?

    Art
     
  2. Blackhawk

    Blackhawk Member In Memoriam

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    For this to be in the WP is quite surprising! Maybe the owners have been contemplating the ongoing NYT fiasco....
     
  3. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

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    It makes no difference to me how or why we abolished a dictatorial Islamic terrorist state. It matters only that we won.
     
  4. Waitone

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    What is so sad here is we are missing the opportunity to determine what happened to our intelligent systems and where we went wrong. WMD is merely gorilla dust covering up the real problem. Western intelligence in general and US intelligence in particular are slaves to technology and political correctness.

    The blame starts at Jimmy Carter and Stansfield Turner and continues right up to Dubya. We simply abandoned the human intelligence which may be ok when your enemies build airfields and missile silos. Satellites do no good when your enemy can go to the local farm supply and purchase diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate.

    Both political parties closed their eyes to reality and both are responsible for 911 which is the precise reason we will never investigate our intelligence failures.
     
  5. CZ-75

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    Iraqi Scientist leads US troops to Nuclear parts and Documents

    http://www.foxnewschannel.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,90440,00.html




    U.S. Finds Nuclear Materials Buried in Iraq

    Wednesday, June 25, 2003

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    WASHINGTON ? An Iraqi scientist has led the CIA (search) to nuclear materials buried in his backyard, Fox News has learned.

    Mahdi Obeidi (search ) told U.S. agents in Iraq he was ordered in 1991 to hide documents and parts for a centrifuge to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons. Obeidi said he was told the materials should remain buried in his backyard until sanctions against Iraq ended, when they would be dug up and used to reconstitute a program to enrich uranium to make a nuclear weapon.

    "A box of parts and a bunch of documents were buried under the rose bushes in his backyard," one U.S. official told Fox News.

    "This shows how hard a job it will be to find stuff when it's under people's rose bushes," the official added.

    Obeidi told the CIA he was one of four Iraqi nuclear scientists told to hide such plans and parts. He did not know the identities of the other three and the CIA has so far been unable to locate them, a senior U.S. official told Fox News.

    Officials said they believe Obeidi's statements are credible, and described the recovery of the buried materials as evidence of the lengths to which Saddam Hussein was willing to go to hide and maintain his weapons of mass destruction capability. But, one official cautioned, "This is not a 'smoking gun' -- it is not evidence of an ongoing uranium enrichment program."

    Before the 1991 Gulf War (search) , Obeidi headed Iraq's program to make centrifuges that would enrich uranium for nuclear weapons, the official said. Most or all of that program was dismantled after U.N. inspections in the early 1990s.

    Details of Obeidi's activities during the past decade were not immediately available, although he was interviewed often by inspectors from the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency in 2002, the official said.

    Obeidi turned over a two-foot-tall stack of documents that includes detailed designs for centrifuges, intelligence officials said. Obeidi told intelligence officials the parts from his garden were among the more difficult-to-produce components of a centrifuge.

    Assembled, the components would not be useful in making much uranium. Hundreds of centrifuges are necessary to make enough to construct a nuclear weapon in such programs.

    Obeidi and his family have left Iraq, the intelligence official said.

    Since the war, U.S. teams looking for evidence of Iraq's alleged chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs have been chasing leads and tips from Iraqis who stand to win reward money offered for evidence. So far no weapons have been found.

    Before the second Gulf War, U.S. and allied intelligence agencies said they had evidence that Iraq was seeking to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program, although some of that evidence has since been debunked.

    Other evidence, such as reports that Iraq tried to import precision-made tubes for centrifuges, was hotly debated, with some experts saying those tubes were for conventional weapons.

    Earlier this year, the U.N. agency said there was no new evidence or indications that Iraq was working to revive the program

    Fox News' Jim Angle and The Associated Press contributed to this report.



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    Yes, it's circumstantial, but the circumstance that Saddam had it buried sure points in the direction of lots else of interest being buried in Iraq.
     
  6. SkunkApe

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    You mean some Iraqi guy had centrifuge parts buried under his rose bush? That's undeniable proof of an active WMD program if I ever saw it.

    LMAO.

    Good gravy, they're really reaching now.

    I sure hope they don't search my local high school chemistry lab. I'm sure they have at least a few centrifuges in there, too. I'd hate to see us liberate the high school.
     
  7. DonQatU

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    Uh, this stuff was buried BEFORE the FIRST Gulf War?!!:rolleyes:

    I'm waiting for further details on the "stuff" that was found!

    Hey, but since the Iraqis were reconstituting their nuclear weapons program (as the administration claimed) ........ why was this "stuff" still buried??!! Isn't it hard to use the "stuff" when it's under a bunch of sand?!! :rolleyes:

    Sounds to me like the Iraqi nuclear weaprons program was was brought to a halt in 1991!

    Don
     
  8. BigG

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    I don't get it. Where are the weapons of mass destruction Bush talked about? /DonQ :eek: :D :evil:
     
  9. Thumper

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    Why did they bury something you feel is so harmless?

    Perhaps they were trying to grow some new ones?

    It was buried...if they weren't trying to hide it, why was it buried?

    More nails in the coffin. All over except the cryin'...carry on.
     
  10. SkunkApe

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    If these are the kind of nails we're using on coffins, the dead will walk the earth.

    This is the best one since the 1000-acre chemical weapons plant we suddenly "discovered" right after the war started.

    Bush should sell this stuff to Jay Leno. Its too good to give away for free.

    Rose bushes...centrifuge parts...I can't breath...

    Still LMAO.
     
  11. DonQatU

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    Big G, they must have been pretty damn close to nuclear weapons! Damn, that was close! If they could have got their hands on the the uranium needed ........ and the equipment needed to enrich it to weapons grade.......... and a proper weapons design........... and nuclear triggers........... and a delivery sytem...........and nobody was monitoring them...... and ........

    Get my point? :rolleyes:

    Claims that Iraq was close to a nuke are ridiculous! This "find" could only seem significant to "sheeple" who haven't a clue about nuclear weapons and delivery systems!

    But, please keep us posted!

    Don
     
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