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after all these years of almost everbody,especially the AR-15 guys,of bad mouthing "no good steel cased ammo",I saw an add for Hornady steel cased,polymer coated,berdan primed ammo.Now,what can we bad mouth??jwr.
 
Hornady will have a heck of a lot better quality control than Wolf, and polymer coated is fine, just not the laquer coated stuff. Also, I can guarantee you that the Hornady stuff will use a better powder, and not the stuff that throws 2' of flame out the end of my barrel like Wolf does.
 
There is nothing wrong with lacquered ammo..that is if your gun is worth the money you spent on it.

I'd much rather buy more brown bear than less hornady.
 
Ive never had a issue with wolf or winchester white box one day i wana try tula
 
It has always worked for me, all that steel Russian import stuff. I think Hornady is just trying to get a bite of market share, seeing how their brass-cased ammo costs so much more.
 
after all these years of almost everbody,especially the AR-15 guys,of bad mouthing "no good steel cased ammo",I saw an add for Hornady steel cased,polymer coated,berdan primed ammo.Now,what can we bad mouth??jwr.
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Some AR's run steel-cased ammo, some do not. I ran a bunch of the Hornady steel cased TAP at this year's Larue 3 Gun match and it shot extremely accurately and ran fine in my rifle.
 
i shoot silver bear all the time out of both of my ARs. one is chrome lined and one isn't, and both run it perfectly. i've never tried wolf though.
 
I always stayed away from steel case, but I tried some a few months ago and it functioned like brass case in my AR. I well be shooting more steel case when Wolf releases the steel case 6.5G ammo, a lot more.
 
that whole laquer residue causing malfs thing is a myth. i don't feel like looking it up but it's been established that the reason steel malfunctions more is because it doesn't expand to fill to the chamber as flush as brass and allows the chamber to foul more readily causing stuck cases.
 
Ranger, please don't start that. That's a subject that's been covered time and time again. Just posting it is going to lead some poor soul out there to believe that it's true.

From what I've seen, the rifles that choke on steel cased ammo, do so because they are over gassed and steel doesn't contract as quickly as brass does. I really don't think that it's because steel leaves the chamber any dirtier than anything else (not that it doesn't). If there was that much blowby in the chamber, you'd be getting gas in the face.

Besides, my AR hasn't been cleaned in over 5000 rounds and I'd guess that my chamber has more crap in it than a fresh rifle that just went through 500 rounds of steel cased ammo. I go from brass to steel at will and have had no problems.

The Hornady stuff is good, but I wouldn't buy it unless it went on sale and was cheaper than Silver Bear. The thing that does shines in the steel cased line is their 75gr practice ammo. It shoots REALLY good.
 
after all these years of almost everbody,especially the AR-15 guys,of bad mouthing "no good steel cased ammo",I saw an add for Hornady steel cased,polymer coated,berdan primed ammo.Now,what can we bad mouth??jwr.
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it could say lapua on the case, but if its steel i aint shooting it.
 
thank bryan, more on the shelves for me! :neener:

although the accuracy does suck, i'll grant you that. unless i feel like shooting groups to challenge myself i couldn't really care less.

from what i've found silver bear 62 is about 2.5-6 MOA out of my DD 1:7 barrel. good enough for cans and hogs.
 
Funny this came up. I was actually watching top shot tonight and saw they were using hornady steel cased ammo in an AK. I didn't even know hornady was making/importing the stuff. so I looked them up and found this: http://www.hornady.com/store/7.62X39...AX-Steel-Case/ I've always thought somebody at hornady loved their job and had a sense of humor.
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holy guacamole! $21 dollars for a box of 20 steel cased? they were smoking something green when they came up with that pricing. does that come with a steak or something?
 
I think the concept behind the Hornady Steel ammo line is brilliant -- a better and presumably more accurate bullet at a price only a little above brass cased FMJ.

How they actually implement it will tell the tale, but early reports are good. I've got some in 5.45, 5.56, & 7.62x39 but haven't had a calm enough day to make some fair tests.

I'll generally keep shooting whatever steel cased ammo is cheapest as I'd rather have more shots at bigger targets than fewer shots at smaller targets. YMMV, but position shooting (standing, kneeling, or sitting) 4 moa ammo at 8 moa targets is great fun for me. I can generally do 6 moa targets with 4 moa ammo if I go prone, but usually the weeds are too high to shoot prone :)
 
I dont bad mouth steel cased ammo, I bad mouth cheaply made ammo. true I dont shoot steel out of my AR but that's because any steel cased bullet will snap the extractor with extended use. however in my XDM I've cracked open a can of 45 acp ammo that was packed in 1943 and it ran better than any wolf brownbear or tula ammo on the market. I would probably trust hornady ammo in my bolt guns or handguns but not in my AR.
 
so much bad info in this thread....

Hornadys cases are lacquer coated (Bought from Barnaul, (Brown bear Cases)

They are for people who want to train with quality ammo, but save some money.
They have very good bullets and power, so they are accurate, they just save money on the case/primer
Its not cheap plinking ammo, people buy it instead of the $1.50+/rd ammo they would usually shoot.

And yes, the lacquer causing the cases to stick is Myth, its because steel doesnt expand and contract like brass, so the chamber gets fouled and causes cases to stick if not cleaned well.

Silver Bear is still steel and can get stuck, but the zinc is smoother so its supposed to help with extraction. (saving are usually minimal between cheap brass ammo though)

Steel ammo will not snap and extractor unless its made of plastic. People shoot thousands of rounds of this stuff in AR's everyday and I have yet to hear of a snapped extractor

Older Wolf and Tula are from the Tula plant (worst Russian ammo quality in mosts opinions)
WPA Military Classic and all the Bears are from Barnaul (much better quality)

All russian ammo has a "Bi-Metal" jacket, meaning its a lead core with a copper plated or copper washed mild steel jacket

Yes its Dirty
Yes its Inaccurate
Yes its Underpowered
Yes it has a Bi-Metal jacket

Some AR's will choke on it no matter what, but the vast majority of the time it will run fine if its run in a quality gun that is set up correctly, and the chamber is cleaned occasionally.
It also helps to no shoot Tula, as many more problems are reported with it.

Here is an excellent link to all the info you need about Russian ammo. Some info may be a bit outdated
http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=268
 
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.....that's because any steel cased bullet will snap the extractor with extended use.
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Would love to see verified stats that can back up that statement. That is funny. (and even more so since the extractor does not touch the bullet) ;)

That being said, I've ran Hornady's steel cased training ammo during my last two practical rifle courses. That is 8 days of training with no ammo or AR problems.

Hornady has had that ammo out now for a while. I bought my first case of it a little over a year ago. Since then, the price on it has crept up.
 
Although the last case of Hornady that I picked up was lacquered, I do believe that they are loading them in the polymer coated cases now.
 
"steel will snap extractors"

I'm just playing devil's advocate but even if you snap an extractor every 1000 rds you'd be saving enough to buy 3 new bravo co bolts for every thousand rds anyways so it's a non issue. And if you figure that an extractor cost less than ten bucks you'd have enough saving for a lifetime of extractors after 2000 rds
 
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