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Sindawe said:
And why is that El T? Just because they are wolves? :scrutiny:

Fact of life which so many people like to forget is that when you go into the forests, you are NOT in a city park. You in in THEIR neighborhood, and when there the risks of running into one of the natives goes up. Don't like the risk? Stay in the frelling city.Same could be said for an particular invasive plains ape that is no longer confined to its home continent of Africa.
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8ull$h!t.

so because some people are against hunting even a singe wolf, every person who doesn't live in a city needs to pack up and move there?

Nope. This is MY land. I for one am glad to see wolves coming back. However, once the population reaches a certain level, evey major predator should be hunted by man, be it 5 per year or 500, to prevent this kind of instance.

Now, on a happier note. A wolf/dog hybrid is 100000X more times likely to be involved in a biting or even killing incident.
 
yorec said:
I can hardly believe there are still wolf appologists who defend these things. So what if there hasn't been a recorded/proven fatal attack on a human in North America these past hundred years - wolve's have largely been extinct in most parts... Guess what? If thier reintrodiction changes thier population status enough that they start frequenting where people do, those statistics will change.
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Don't be histrionic. If over 10,000 wolves in this state aren't munching on people, why would a handful pose a serious threat to the lower 48? Sound wildlife management with viable populations and hunting and trapping seasons to keep them in check are the answer.

I cannot for the life of me figure out why officials want to reintroduce these proven killing machines ( wolves and lions ) to areas that have been free of them for a hundred years.
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I agree this should be a matter for the states to decide. But I can give you one major answer. Without major predators, life is extremely boring. If I were told I'd be forced to live in Iowa for the rest of my life, I'd take a magnum to my brain stem to avoid such a fate. The same goes for most of the lower 48. I go there now and it seems so artificial and two-dimensional. Even the woods are hollow and empty. I don't like it. Removing the great predators changes men--and not for the best. They grow too arrogant and start getting bizarre ideas about reality. They are prone to either embrace bears and wolves as big Disney characters (like Treadwell and PETA do) or they are prone to demonize the predators as Satan incarnate. Both approaches are childish.
 
Wolves Expanding?

I seriously doubt the wolf population will expand anytime soon to Galveston. But I have heard tales of coyote's going toward San Antonio - and I bet cougars are wandering around in the mountains toward El Paso.

But yeah, I agree - there's a reason we almost hunted wolves and other predators to extinction - too bad we didn't finaish the job.
 
Faithless said:
Wonder what wolf tastes like.

Probably too strong and gamey.
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They're not much for the pot. Also, their livers can contain lethal amounts of Vitamin A. Though they can be fed to the dogs, I'm not sure I'd do it considering the risk of disease transmission. The two are essentially the same species and share the same parasites. But they make the warmest coats on the planet. I remember Amundsen had a special, ultra-insulated head-to-toe wolfskin outfit made for him before he left for the South Pole. He rarely wore it even in Antartica because it was too hot!
 
Cosmoline said:
They're not much for the pot. Also, their livers can contain lethal amounts of Vitamin A. Though they can be fed to the dogs, I'm not sure I'd do it considering the risk of disease transmission. The two are essentially the same species and share the same parasites. But they make the warmest coats on the planet. I remember Amundsen had a special, ultra-insulated head-to-toe wolfskin outfit made for him before he left for the South Pole. He rarely wore it even in Antartica because it was too hot!
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Good to know. Cheers.

Bears also have the lethal liver of vitamin doom too, yeah?
 
carebear said:
That's no documented attacks in North America.

There are documented (or at least reported) attacks in Russia and Eastern Europe up until today.
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CORRECT-A-MUNDO!

Why is that? because what wolves still live int hose areas are STARVED for prey, thus they will take any significant kill they can get: Lone travelers included.

This is not a new thing in Europe and Russia. Its been that way for centuries. The deep forests of Eurasia are not to be traveled lightly. This situation was especialy bad durring the middle ages, when native deer populations were hunted to near extinction; starved, wolves and other predators became desperate to the point where they started devouring every lone traveler they could find; giving rise to many a classic childrens tail.

The point is, you go intot he woods, you have a weapon. Its just common sence.

Same could be said for an particular invasive plains ape that is no longer confined to its home continent of Africa.
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Feel free to be the first volunteer. :D
 
so because some people are against hunting even a singe wolf, every person who doesn't live in a city needs to pack up and move there?
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Now did I say that everybody who does NOT live in a city needs to pack up and move there? No, I did not.

What I said (perhaps not plainly enough) is that if you venture outside the realm dominated by humans, there is a risk you're gonna run into something unpleasant. The semi-wilds and wilderness are NOT our domain, but that of the other creature on the planet. If you want a walk in a nice safe park, go to a freaking park, not the North Woods.
The point is, you go intot he woods, you have a weapon. Its just common sence.
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+1
I cannot for the life of me figure out why officials want to reintroduce these proven killing machines ( wolves and lions ) to areas that have been free of them for a hundred years.
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Cosmoline says it well....
Without major predators, life is extremely boring. If I were told I'd be forced to live in Iowa for the rest of my life, I'd take a magnum to my brain stem to avoid such a fate. The same goes for most of the lower 48. I go there now and it seems so artificial and two-dimensional. Even the woods are hollow and empty. I don't like it. Removing the great predators changes men--and not for the best. They grow too arrogant and start getting bizarre ideas about reality. They are prone to either embrace bears and wolves as big Disney characters (like Treadwell and PETA do) or they are prone to demonize the predators as Satan incarnate. Both approaches are childish.
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Though some states are not so predator free as one might think. We here in Colorado regularly have young puma visit the Lands of Man in search of new territory. I've watchted a Black Bear sun itself on a rock outcropping just above Boulder. It give a great visceral feeling of realling being ALIVE to walk down a dirt road in the backcountry and come across deer tracks, followed by big cat tracks, in the mud that is not more than a few hours old.
But yeah, I agree - there's a reason we almost hunted wolves and other predators to extinction - too bad we didn't finaish the job.
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What a sad, desolate vision of the world that would be, with no other land predators but us....:(
 
I'm completely with Cosmolene on this one. If you go into the wilderness with out the wild it's not wilderness now is it? Those of you who think all potential killers of men should be destroyed to leave a completely safe backcountry should indeed remain cowering in your cities, leave the mountains, forests, and wild country to those with courage. I for one count myself extremely lucky to see bears in the wild and enjoy the feeling of seeing fresh sign on the trail. The mountains around here are too bare of predators as it is. I'd like to see more wolves, bears, and cougars. I know how to defend myself, my intellect and the combined intellect of my species is more than a fair match for most predators. If they get the better of me and I end up a meal, bully for them! (Although I doubt they will like the flavor. :neener: )

If this rant seems to harsh I'll make no apology. I'm a bit tired of hearing from those who want nothing but the complete extermination of every dangerous species from the planet. Bah!!
 
Wolves don't no boundary lines. You think they read the forest boundary fence markers and turn around. It's only a matter of time before a wolf kills a human in the lower 48, probably it will be a little kid.
It cost the American taxpayers about 1 million a piece to reintroduce a wolf. It's a felony to kill one and protecting your family dog or horse is not justification. Wolves killed and fed on a milk cow near here just outside a ranchers house. They couldn't let their toddler play in the yard after that.
I saw 3 last time I was out elk hunting. They do kill for fun and they do chase herds down in Wyoming till they are run down from heat exhuastion and a whole herd of elk die and lay to rot. Our grandfathers and greatgrandfathers got rid of wolves for a reason and anybody who thinks differently is listening to the same cronies that would take away your hunting and 2nd Amendment Rights. I spend alot of time packing into backcountry, and personally I don't have a problem matching wits with any predator. But the way it is set up it's animal rights before people.
 
Those invasive plains apes indeed need to be culled in our age, as in all others. The eternal battle between good and evil continues. Bleeding hearts still cheer for the wrong side. Stay alert when in any unsecure area. I'd say bin Laden's niece will need to take care especially now, as Salman Rushdie has been successfully doing and like Theo van Gogh sadly wasn't so successful at.
 
utahminirevolver said:
Those invasive plains apes indeed need to be culled in our age, as in all others. The eternal battle between good and evil continues. Bleeding hearts still cheer for the wrong side. Stay alert when in any unsecure area. I'd say bin Laden's niece will need to take care especially now, as Salman Rushdie has been successfully doing and like Theo van Gogh sadly wasn't so successful at.
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So, let me get this straight....Bin Laden controls the wolves too?
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Biker
 
I cannot for the life of me figure out why officials want to reintroduce these proven killing machines ( wolves and lions ) to areas that have been free of them for a hundred years.
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How about bringing back an apex predator to help control the burgeoning deer population.

Damn deer are everywhere. I see'em occasionally where I live in the suburbs (not exactly on the edge of town either). They're a freaking nuisance. Wolves can help control their numbers.
 
yes, the DNR has been the wolf's best friend and worst enemy.

Two keys to allowing the wolves back in and having them successfully co-exist with man are a)some form of hunting, and b)reasonable reperations.

I've heard tails from many a person who lost livestock to wolves in MN, where there numbers are in my opinion, currently just enough to fill the rural woodscountry. (many more and you will start seeing them in the edges of small towns, then popping up on the edges of suburbia). The state comes and inspects the killed calf or lamb or sheep. Unless they can find a strand of hair with a skin follicle, to do a DNA test, the state will argue that 'it might have been a pack of large feral dogs' Even if photographic evidence of what appears to be wolves feeding on the dead animal are presented, they say 'well the wolves were eating it when it was dead, this is not proof they killed it"

That is just silly.

The rules must be changed so that

1)if there is evidence of any animal of family canis (wolves, dogs, foxes, etc) AND there are known wolves in the area, it will be assumed that it is wolves who did the kill.

2)any evidence of family canis feeding on a carcass shortly after the death of the animal, it iwll be assumed it is a wolfkill, not wolves eating an animal that froze to death or died of old age.

It seems the DNR is SOOOO freaked out about reports fo wolf kills that they are all but fudging the results to make the total = 0, either that or they are afraid of some guy killing his own livestock and planting fake tracks to collect government money.

If the refunds for killed livestock are reasonable market value, the locals won't have any incentive to 'stage' scenes. If farmers start driving out and tossing every stillborn calf or cow that died of old age into the back pasture and coming back later hoping wolves ate it, personally, I can live with that, as such 'natural' deaths aren't very common, AND the wolves are getting some free meat out of the deal. You may argue that such a practice will encourage wolves to see livestock as prey, but wolves are ALREADY eating the stillborn calves and the odd old cow a farmer actually keeps until it keels over from age, or the odd steer that wanders away and freezes in a blizzard
 
utahminirevolver said:
Those invasive plains apes indeed need to be culled in our age, as in all others. The eternal battle between good and evil continues. Bleeding hearts still cheer for the wrong side. Stay alert when in any unsecure area. I'd say bin Laden's niece will need to take care especially now, as Salman Rushdie has been successfully doing and like Theo van Gogh sadly wasn't so successful at.
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?
 
Our grandfathers and greatgrandfathers got rid of wolves for a reason
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Yeah, the same reason they killed off the griz, the buff and the indians. The goal was to turn the US into an extension of western European civilization. It was a bad idea. A wilderness without predators is just a forest. I do get a kick out of these myths that wolves will slaughter all the elk, though. Were the elk paying the bounty on the wolves? No. They coexisted with them for hundreds of thousands of years.

But I do agree that the first predator reintroductions should not be done at the expense of Montana and Wyoming ranchers. We should start by returning the griz to southern California. It's on the state flag, after all. Nothing will turn antis around faster than a few film producers getting eaten.
 
We have had several similar issues around here, several years ago some packs of wild dogs killed several women and children, sometimes eating them somewhat. since then nothing was made, and if to be honest, even now it stays as it is. if to talk about wildlife, then small-time hunting seems to keep things in order.

Besides, as I rembember, getting rid of all wolves in Canada caused more problems, as all the grass-eaters population increased and later tended to feast on farmers fields. If human think he/she can run the nature better than the nature itself then it could be called mania grandiosa and distinctive lack of any vision and wisdom. keeping the balance is different story. But yes, if you want a safe par,then go to city park and get the hell outta forest then.
 
Have any online or book references to that or the time period? I don't know that at all.

The Freeholder said:
There are reasons, both good and bad, why our ancestors hunted them out. Do a little research on the history of the phrase "wolf at the door". *shudder*
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Biker and Phyphor, I'm sorry if my post seems a little hard to follow.

Let me try to clarify my thought train.

A Canadian got killed by wolves. A jihadist murdered Theo van Gogh. Jihadists threatened Salman Rushdie and I suspect they will likely threaten bin Laden's niece based on numerous 'honor' killings of female relatives among that group.

V4Vendetta noted that "If this poor fellow had a Glock 21, he'd probably still be here". Mr. trooper said it's commonsense to have a weapon in potentially dangerous places such as the woods.

Sindawe generalized the wolf attack to one by any predators and indicated that "Front sight, press!" is an effective way to manage them. Predators include human varmints or 'invasive plains apes' no longer confined to their home continent of Africa.

Yorec got disgusted with apologists (or bleeding hearts) who defend predators.

Sindawe said our herd 'could use a good culling'. The Antibubba then brought up Osama bin Laden's niece.

So I was likening bin Laden and his ilk to these wolves attacking innocents whenever and wherever they think they can get away with it. We, including bin Laden's westernized niece, are the relatively 'good' guys while they, the wolves, cougers, jihadists, or just garden-variety criminals, are the 'bad' guys. And it behooves us, as many others have stated more clearly than I, to remain alert and, when possible, armed to be ready to deal with a surprise attack by deadly predators.
 
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