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Considering the amount of tax revenue that WY and MT both receive, a loss compensation plan should be a no-brainer.

Wolves are now practically delisted, so hopefully the collective efforts of the ranchers and sport hunters will help mitigate the Canadian wolf population. Who's bright idea was it to release larger Canadian wolves when there was an ample supply of smaller Minnesota timberwolves to release.
 
I am begging to see a wolf introduction program in MD. Id like to see more Coyotes. Why?

Southern Maryland where, I am and surrounding counties have unlimited doe limits. Guess why? Overpopulation, and with hunting restrictions and less land due to encroachment, its only going to get worse (or better if your a deer). And the development has increased the lands carrying capacity, so the deer have better and more food supply than ever before. Simply put So Md has too many well feed deer with too much protection.

Locals are adopting the 365 day Deer bow season-shhhhhhhhh;)
 
In Tucson Arizona area once in awhile you here of a coyote that trys to run off with somebody's baby in the backyard playpen. It does'nt make the national news, and only some local news. Do you really want that risk in your neighborhood? Think of wild dogs , a pack running in your neighborhood, and that's what you got with wolf reintroduction program or coyotes. Only wolves are alot bigger and smarter.
 
If the State tried to do a wolf reintroduction the public outcry would be absolutely enormous. In my opinion its a pipe dream, however the coyotes in Western Md are another story. Some have been spotted as far south as DC suburbs, and the public acts like the Coyotes will be attacking tourists on the National Mall. Truth of the matter, coyotes(around here) want absolutely nothing to do with people.

As for me, I say bring on the predators. They are needed to add balance to stabilize what people have screwed up. My balance includes a .223:evil:
 
Truth of the matter, coyotes(around here) want absolutely nothing to do with people.

Wolves too, at least up here.

I think there are a lot of mythes and hear say about wolves.

Some being spread right here in this thread.

I've had a few encounters with wolves and they scrammed as soon as they noticed they were noticed.

Coyotes not so much in my experience.
 
They do "scram' when they see you, unless they're hungry and your a threat to whatever they are trying to eat. Southwest is different. These wolves are raised in kennels and thrown food over a fence. People are a big part of their lives no matter how you cut it. With a successful reintroduction of wovles the animal rights enviromentalists plan is to reintroduce the grizzly bear in the SW. Everything I write here can be backed up by fact.
 
Just Delisted in the Northern Rocky Region, officially takes effect in 30 days. If you read the latest article you will see the transformation of the poputlation from 2002 to today over a 3x increase in 5 years!!!!!
 
Not so fast...

If the State tried to do a wolf reintroduction the public outcry would be absolutely enormous. In my opinion its a pipe dream, however the coyotes in Western Md are another story. Some have been spotted as far south as DC suburbs, and the public acts like the Coyotes will be attacking tourists on the National Mall. Truth of the matter, coyotes(around here) want absolutely nothing to do with people.

Hey JR - you're kidding right? The freakin HSUS is in our state, offices in Gaithersburg and actively recruiting new staff....they'd be all over a wolf re-intro program if they could swing it, as a way to eventually eliminate (in their warped minds) the need for hunting. There are more tree-huggers in MD than guys like me and you...

Haven't seen a coyote this year, on the opening day of deer rifle season a guy shot one about 1/2 mile down the ridge from me. Maybe my day will come....until then, I'll have to settle for this memory... :evil:

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Thanks PR...

Thanks for the kudos! That's in Alaska in 2006, I was born there, have Mom/sisters there and try to get back every Fall to hunt moose or caribou.

Wanna know why my smile is THAT big? I was happy to get the wolf...but if you panned from my left shoulder over to the picture's right and got about halfway to the picture's edge, there's a big bull moose dead down in the spruce! Shooting the wolf must have aroused him from an afternoon nap - after shooting the wolf we were sitting for a minute to let the echoes die (shot him with a .338 WinMag), I happened to look down into the trees and saw something that looked like a canoe paddle - told my buddy "there's a bull moose down in the trees!" We snuck down the hill a little ways, did some calling and antler rakes on brush, and got him to show himself about 225 yards out. Took two shots to knock him down (also missed him with third shot), so got my only moose and my only wolf, all on the same hunt, within 30 minutes of each other!

Here's the moose:

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so got my only moose and my only wolf, all on the same hunt, within 30 minutes of each other!

Nice! A lot of folks get up here and bust their hump, getting nothing but back pain, mild frostbite and a lot of wet clothes. Oh and freak burns from cow parsnip, devil's club thorns, etc.

To me that moose is like 1,000 hamburgers.
 
Burgers and Backstrap

Thanks Cosmo. I had been on 4 previous AK hunts (was born in Fbks back in the 60s) from 2002-2005 and never touched off a round at a moose (but did get three caribou, so great trips anyway). To get a wolf AND a moose on the same day was a dream come true! I just finished some of the last burger, I ran out of backstrap last summer. Most of the meat stayed with my Mom and sisters in Anchorage/Bethel, it's gone now too, will be back in September to try to restock the larders. :D
 
BILLINGS, Mont. (Feb. 21) - Gray wolves in the Northern Rockies will be removed from the endangered species list, following a 13-year restoration effort that helped the animal's population soar, federal officials said Thursday.

An estimated 1,500 wolves now roam Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. That represents a dramatic turnaround for a predator that was largely exterminated in the U.S. outside of Alaska in the early 20th century.

"Gray wolves in the Northern Rocky Mountains are thriving and no longer require the protection of the Endangered Species Act," said Interior Deputy Secretary Lynn Scarlett. "The wolf's recovery in the Northern Rocky Mountains is a conservation success story."

The restoration effort, however, has been unpopular with ranchers and many others in the three states since it began in the mid-1990s, and today some state leaders want the population thinned significantly.

The states are planning to allow hunters to target the animals as soon as this fall. That angers environmental groups, which plan to sue over the delisting and say it's too soon to remove federal protection.

"The enduring hostility to wolves still exists," said Earthjustice attorney Doug Honnold, who is preparing the lawsuit. "We're going to have hundreds of wolves killed under state management. It's a sad day for our wolves."

Plans submitted by Idaho, Montana and Wyoming indicate the states will likely maintain between 900 and 1,250 wolves for the foreseeable future, federal officials said.

Wolves have increasingly preyed on livestock as they expanded into new territories. At the same time, ranchers and wildlife agents have made more wolf kills, which are allowed under the Endangered Species Act in response to livestock conflicts.

Since the late 1980s, 724 wolves have been killed legally, and roughly the same number are estimated to have been killed illegally by poachers. Despite that, the overall population has continued to grow at thups critical of such hunts say the government should be moving in the opposite direction, restoring wolves to areas where they are not now found.

The only other areas of the lower 48 states where gray wolves live are the western Great Lakes and the Southwest. A population of about 4,000 wolves in Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin was dropped from the endangered list last year, while a reintroduced population of dozens of animals in Arizona and New Mexico has struggled to expand.

In a petition filed Wednesday with the Department of Interior, Defenders of Wildlife and the Natural Resource Defense Council argued new wolf populations should be established in Maine, New York, Oregon, Colorado, Utah, Washington and possibly New Hampshire, Texas and portions of the mid-Atlantic.

Federal officials said Thursday there were no immediate plans to reintroduce wolves into other states or regions.

However, an independent wolf biologist said he would be "shocked" if the animal again ends up on the endangered list.

"The last thing any of the states want is for wolves to be re-listed by the federal government," said Daniel Pletscher, director of the University of Montana's wildlife biology program. He added that tolerance of wolves has grown immensely since the species was nearly wiped out.


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New Mexico

Thanks Harve. I lived in New Mexico (Santa Fe and Los Alamos) from 1986 - 1990, didn't even hunt elk as I was newly married and had sold my guns! I still kick myself over that one.
 
just seems like with the exception of a few ranchers on edges of Yellowstone, people seem to get way more wound up than need be.

Those of you that don't live here in Yellowstone country, you might not have any knowledge of how the wolf, grizz, mountain lion, and the like are changing life in the west. As people, are we to just move out of Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana and leave the entire area as wilderness, leaving a couple of roads through the area for the really brave of heart? The wolf isn't just in Yellowstone. A friend of mine was having calves eaten by a wolf near Laramie two years ago which is hundreds of miles southeast of Yellowstone.

I live and work in Jackson Hole. I came up to Jackson from Laramie to enjoy the outdoor sports, like most. But the hills around here are changing.

These animals are multiplying in such great numbers that they are threatening the viable existence of other game animals. In another couple of months, come with me into the back country and you will see a slaughter of animals that no one is talking about in the press. A couple of years ago my wife and I took a trip into some areas I like to hunt bear in. After seeing dozens of carcasses, she was asking what was the cause. It is simple I told her, we are in the "Detroit" of the woods.

It doesn't take great numbers of them though. A friend of mine shot a lion that they were documenting sometimes 14 kills a week. She wasn't eating 14 animals, just killing. She had some tooth problems or something and it was thought that she was just being cranky.

These are animals that have no preditors, except man. People are having more encounters with these animals, making it much more dangerous to enjoy being in the mountains. I will no longer hike without a weapon. Please, I'll try to be polite, but I don't see where anyone who doesn't live in these states or anywheres close can have an informed opinion. An opinion based on media, isn't an informed opinion.

There is a bumper sticker around here that says: "Save 100 elk this year, kill 1 wolf."
 
I don't have a problem with wolves and coyotes. In fact, I kind of like having the predators in the woods. Certainly adds a bit of romance to hunting, hiking and so on.

I have often thought that if I were an incredibly rich guy, I would buy about 400,000 acres in TX (hill country if possible) and then re introduce all of the native species from cougar, jaguar, bear, deer, and so in essence you would have a 17th - 18th century system.

I have never understood people who want to wipe out the predators totally. You end up with a boring country like England... Boring people, living boring lives... Think about how having the "wilderness" has made us a more interesting place, how it changes Americans. I mean, in England, the entire country had been populated for thousands of years. It wasn't exactly "unknown". America on the other hand, was wild. I think that is one of the major factors that made us so independant.

Now I am just rambling.
 
mbt2001, very few people want a total wipeout. The strongest arguments for control of the overall numbers come from those whose billfolds are impacted by livestock kills. Always remember that the tax man doesn't care whether or not you make a profit--or even a decent living.

As for your vast tract with all those predators and prey animals: Stipulate no exodus from it by anything. Okay, fine. "Balance of nature", right?

Wrong: The ultimate predator no longer exists in Texas. The screw-worm fly. Until that eradication, any wounded animal was a dead animal, absent a lot of luck. Fights between predators provided food for the fly's larvae in any wound. So, some natural control of numbers besides just the food supply.

I really doubt there will be any call for reintroduction of the screw-worm fly.

How do I know about that little critter? Because as a kid I helped doctor the baby calves' belly buttons. Worms. And I lost a good Hereford calf from a wound on its flank; somehow it wasn't seen until too late. Then came "irradiation" and sterilization of the male flies (bless Madame Curie, et al) and the end of most of that problem, circa the 1950s. The final end didn't occur until around the 1970s.

I believe it's the August, 1973 issue of Texas Parks & Wildlife magazine with a photo of a buck whose entire face/forehead was eaten out by screw-worms--but he was somehow still alive...

Art
 
Funny this comes up. The same people that are running the show to reintroduce the so called endangerd species are anti-gun, anti 2nd Amendment. Some of the NGO's actually want to return parts of the country to pre-anglo era. I joke then to do it right; they'd also have to reintroduce the Indians and in the stone age.
 
Ruger M77

MDHunter- is that a Tikka t3?

Hi JR - nope, it's a Ruger M77 Mark II in .338 WinMag. I checked out the Tikkas a few years back before buying my .338, I couldn't get past the toy feel it had in my hands due to the stock I didn't like. I know the Tikkas are fine rifles and work well for many, I just didn't like how it felt in my hands. Love my Ruger!
 
Art Eatman said:
Wrong: The ultimate predator no longer exists in Texas. The screw-worm fly. Until that eradication, any wounded animal was a dead animal, absent a lot of luck. Fights between predators provided food for the fly's larvae in any wound. So, some natural control of numbers besides just the food supply.

Yes, but to take it's place....

ME!

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Anyway, blow flies and screw worms... I forgot about those.
 
In keeping with the notion that thread drift is in no way unknown, and that this is as much a nature forum as a hunting forum:

If the folks who want pre-Anglo areas to come back "to life", then we gotta have 20 million or so buffalo roaming, right? And these same folks worry about methane from cows and global warming, right? Ya can't have pre-anglo without buffalo, and ya can't have buffalo without methane.

Duh.

What we actually need is a bunch of federal grant money to help increase the numbers of wolves and buffalo, and to help ranchers who now mess with cows to go into the buffalo business. Restore all those critters to early-days areas and populations. It would also improve the quality of life for reservation Indians in the eastern Rockies and Great Plains areas. Think of the additional tourism, as well! Lordy! The possibilities are endless!

Control of buffalo herd migrations might be a problem, though. Ever seen how they deal with fences? It's a game called, "The Fence Loses."

I'll stop, now. :D:D:D
 
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