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Woman armed with shotgun blasts 'crazed' home intruder

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  1. Desertdog

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    A complete illlustration where the firearm is a better protecter than 911.

    Woman armed with shotgun blasts 'crazed' home intruder
    'I don't want to have to kill this man, but I'll kill him graveyard dead'

    Posted: December 08, 2009
    2:07 pm Eastern


    By Chelsea Schilling
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily


    A 56-year-old woman prayed to God while a "crazed" man tried to break in to her home, telling a 9-1-1 dispatcher, "I don't want to have to kill this man, but I'll kill him graveyard dead" – and within minutes, she blasted the relentless intruder in the chest with her shotgun.

    Cushing, Okla., resident Donna Jackson shot and killed Billy Dean Riley, 53, a man with a long history of alcohol and drug convictions, after the belligerent man hurled a patio table through her glass patio door on Dec. 4. ...


    Story and 911 call at;

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=118339
     
  2. shotgunsrfun

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    Good thing she was armed, should could have died
     
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    Wow. Good for her. I hope and pray my wife has that kind of resolve amd presence of mind under similar circumstances.
     
  5. Kimber45acp

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    I listened to the entire 911 call. This lady was a basketcase and NOT gun owner (despite the fact that she was holding a shotgun). She was in a panic the entire call and was holding a weapon that

    A. she was not comfortable with
    B. was afraid of
    C. was admittedly too big for her

    Other mistakes that tell me she is no gun owner and needs serious education:

    1. She talks and talks with the dispatcher instead of paying attention to the threat
    2. At several points in the call, she attempts to justify to the dispatcher WHY she should have a gun :rolleyes:. My favorite part was when she goes on and on about how her son is a cop and that therefore (by implication), it's ok for her to have a gun.
    3. She pays more attention to the dispatcher than the threat. She claims to see a gun in the guy's hand at one point, but at another point says that the lights are off.
    4. She repeatedly tells the dispatcher to hurry up and the incompetent dispatcher utterly fails to educate her that police have already been summoned, and that she needs to pay attention to the intruder instead of hanging on the line.
    5. She makes no attempt to communicate with the intruder through the door. Incredible. She keeps saying that she doesn't want to shoot him, but I think that was a lie covered up with emotion because she refused to give ANY warning to the guy (plus she grandstands with the idiotic statement that she'll "kill him graveyard dead"). Fumbling at a door is what drunks DO. He probably thought he was at his house and she didn't bother to yell "who are you" through the door. I had an identical situation when my wife an I were in our first apartment. Some drunk guy was banging on the door thinking he still lived there. I shouted some warnings (while holding my .357) and he left. 1/10th the drama and a better outcome. I doubt this guy would have broken the door if she had reminded him that it wasn't his house.

    People are holding this up as some sort of glorious moment for gun owners when in fact it is a giant embarrassment because of her endless panic, the fact that she's scared of the gun she's holding, and the fact that she's not really paying attention to the intruder (who she makes no attempt to communicate with). PLUS the fact that she kills someone in a panic after making no attempt to communicate with them.

    SO, what do we learn from this?

    1. Make sure your mom has a gun that she will practice with.
    2. Make sure she knows better than to hang on the line with dispatch instead of watching the threat.
    3. Make sure she understands that making "tough" sounding statements to dispatch can get you prosecuted (she kept saying how "big" her gun was). She must understand that she's DONE with dispatch after she has told them about a potential intruder.
     
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  6. model of 1905

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    Everybody is not Rambo like you Kimber.

    She did damn good. One less dirtbag and all ended well. Take a fricking chill pill.
     
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    Kimber, I don't think even drunk guys that think they are at their house hurl tables through their windows.
     
  8. Kimber45acp

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    Drunks do crazy stuff and if you had bothered to listen to the 911 call, you would have noticed that it went on for many minutes before he damaged anything. Killers don't hang out at strange doors for 10 minutes making weird noises. It is an obvious fact that she was in various stages of panic, she admitted that she was scared of the gun she was holding, and SHE was the one talking tough all over the place with phrases like "graveyard dead" and mentioning over and over how huge the gun was (so calling me rambo makes zero sense).
     
  9. dec41971

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    She might have been better firing a warning shot first since this was unfolding rather slowly. She is going to have to deal with life changing effects of having taken a life. Not excusing the guy one bit, just saying I see kimber's point.
     
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    Kimber45acp:

    I think she did just fine. I listened to the whole thing, too. She was pretty calm, considering that that she was under siege by an apparently irrational, threatening guy for a good while. What words and tone of voice do you expect of people in a situation like this? She was pretty together, considering, better than most would be, I think.

    Along with saying "graveyard dead," she also called something, I think the shotgun, a "sucker." Sometimes people use common expressions in life. When I listened to her, I felt her resolve; she was going to defend herself!

    Aside from her words, of which you disapprove and I approve, her actions were totally righteous, IMO. What else was she supposed to do? Gee whiz!

    PS: As an alcoholic/addict w/7+ years in the real world, please believe me when I say that severely intoxicated people are way more erratic and aggressive and dangerous than sober folks, generally. I remember a case in the news where a college student went into a strange couple's apartment and killed them. It was an apartment he had lived in as a child. He was blind plastered and his folks had moved out years previously.

    When one smashes one's way into strangers' houses in the middle of the night, one takes a mother of a risk. I think that's how it should be, too.
     
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    Some time is easy to "second guess" what folks do. Course, that`s
    after the fact. Just saying. :)
     
  12. DinosaurJones

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    Well I hope her son changes his phone number & she moves the hidden keys to the house... they gave all this lady's information to the public. I
     
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    There is simply NO WAY he thought he was at his own house. She had a huge gated fence the intruder had to jump to even get onto the property. I find it unfathomable that he was simply drunk and thinking he was at home. Not to mention, they had mugshots of the dirtbag in county orange, indicating that it was far from his first offense. She did GOOD by staying on the phone with dispatch. It is the next best thing to an eye witness, as the dispatcher continually commented and confirmed noises such as his yelling and banging, right up to where he broke in and gained entry. The woman did excellent on all accounts, and was far from frantic IMO. She was very vocal and deliberate about her actions by saying "I am getting the gun. I am taking the safety off the gun" etc etc etc. The way she vocalized everything and the dialogue with the dispatcher should leave VERY LITTLE to the imagination of the prosecutor or a jury, should it go that far.
     
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    Sure, there's a way. I know because I did it. At least twice, back when I drank, I went to the wrong house. One of those times, I was in a blackout and don't remember a thing; it's a complete blank. It happens if you drink enough. Any AA group will be able tell you about numerous similar experiences. Liquor and (sometimes!) a handful of Valium will do amazing things to one.
     
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    I think she did what she had to I mean for a female and an elderly woman alone what else she could have done. Of course she is going to panic and be confused to what to do and she had to provent him from getting close to her. Every situation is different and no matter how much gun training or any trining you have there is going to be panic in these situations.
     
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    The poor lady did just fine. Of course she was panicking. Of course she was running off at the mouth (it's called whistling in the dark).

    She did great. All of us men (and/or "gun owners") should hope to do as well when the SHsTF like it did for this lady.

    So she gets a D in making a dignified 911 call. She gets an A+ in defending herself against an attacker in a tough situation. Since the outcome is where it counts...A+ for the course.
     
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    Gotta agree with this. She's typical of most gun owners frankly, she has one but has never really put any real thought into what she would DO with it should the situation ever arise.

    I've got friends just like that. Bought a pistol and a box of ammo, shot one mag through and stuck it in a drawer by the bed, convinced they were "safer".

    Happens all the time. Lucky for her she managed to protect herself.

    Sure, it would be great if we had easily available public education on guns and self defense in this country, but we don't.

    She gets an A++
     
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    Whether he was drunk...

    ...and/or on Valium has nothing to do with the outcome...he CHOSE to do that, if he did it...there is no excusing what he did...and no way in hell to find any reason to blame this woman....and, for those who don't know it....56 is NOT elderly...shame on you!!!;) She's a spring chicken!!!
     
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    Ok, I retract my statement that there is "no way" he thought he was at home.
    BUT had you thrown MY patio chair through MY patio window, you would have ended up dead on the floor as well!
     
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    Yep, and half the folks who train with guns would be scared if it happened to them. It's only natural. Most of us are not battle hardened troops, just regular folks. Many of us would do fine, and some of us would not, but I believe we would all be scared to one degree or the other. (Except for a few Rambos;)) The trick is to act properly under stress/fear. That is what training is all about, helping us to react properly under the stress of a real situation.
     
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    No joke.

    I've taken classes, put more thought into it than most shooters, and I have no doubt that I'd be afraid if someone kicked in the door. Not sure I'd be SANE if I wasn't afraid of something like that.

    If there is a lesson learned here at all it's one that we've talked about a LOT in the past, be careful what you say into that telephone. In this case no harm done, but constant talking into that 911 recorder will be replayed over and over. One wrong word can change things in a bad way.
     
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    ...as Sean Connery said in "the Untouchables"...

    "...and herein lies the lesson..."

    +1, Walkalong...professional LEO or Soldier...citizen...we ALL know fear...

    "The trick is to act properly under stress/fear. That is what training is all about, helping us to react properly under the stress of a real situation...

    ...VERY well put, Sir!!!
     
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    First of all this is a bad situation as someone lost their live BG or not. When it comes down to it she did what she had to do and that is it. Could it have been done different who knows. Yea she could have waited until he got in and came after her but you have to ask would you want your mother to wait (I don't think so).

    As for her telling the dispatcher about the guns size and she will kill him graveyard dead so be it hate to say, it is justified as it should be. But as I stated above it is a bad situation as someone lost their life and another has to live with the fact that he/she made that choice. So in my eyes it is a no win situation.
     
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    The DA has decided not to pursue charges.

    There's a little more info here in this story. Very odd set of events for sure.

    http://newsok.com/law-allows-fatal-shot-lincoln-county-official-says/article/3423575#ixzz0ZC8Ja2gY

     
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    Just to add to this, people handle things different. Some of us may wait until you see the whites of their eyes so to say and some of us may choose to shoot at first sound (not good). I want to think I would confront the BG and let him know I am armed but really not sure when it comes down to it and the ole heart is pumping in overdrive. Every situation is different.
     
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