Woman Harassed for Open Carry

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I agree, would you rather she just hide her beliefs and rights in the shadows or educate the masses. I believe this educated alot of people to the fact open carry is legal and that people like ordinary soccer mom's carry guns for protection. You take the good with the bad and realize if your cause is just then you will be okay in the end. I believe her cause is very just.
 
So because they were nervous about a woman openly displaying a handgun at a child's soccer game, they're automatically written off as anti-gun people who automatically support the brady campaign?

... Interesting.

See, I would have imagined that, up to that point, they'd likely be pretty neutral on the subject. Of course, that's just me.

Then again, I tend to try and convince people by conversation and teaching, rather than the "SCARE EM INTO SUBMISSION" tactic, as I've found to be it to be vastly more effective in the past.

[edit] ahh, I see, it's a HOLY CRUSADE!

So... How'd those crusades wind up, again? I seem to recall that they were less than successful.
Typically, ram-rodding your beliefs down someone's throat and hoping they submit does tend to have that... less than successful result, compared to other methods.

If you want to keep the ability to open carry, then I'd highly reccomend we all learn that there is a time and a place for it, just as there is a time and a place for being discrete. Sadly, not all of us have learned that yet, and wind up alienating a large swath of the public, making it a hell of a lot more difficult for the rest of us to educate and persuade people who are now quite convinced that anyone with a gun is as much of a loon as this woman seemed to her associates and local law enforcement.
 
I agree, would you rather she just hide her beliefs and rights in the shadows or educate the masses. I believe this educated alot of people to the fact open carry is legal and that people like ordinary soccer mom's carry guns for protection. You take the good with the bad and realize if your cause is just then you will be okay in the end. I believe her cause is very just.




so in the name of "le cause " her going off is somehow a plus?
 
Why yes Aran that's exactly what we are sayi- no, no, wait, that's not what we're saying at all, actually.
I have no desire to control what you write, None WHATSOEVER,
but may I make a request in that you do not resort to simple strawman arguments? It really doesn't make for very educational reading material, nor does it address the issue at hand.
 
If you want to keep the ability to open carry, then I'd highly reccomend we all learn that there is a time and a place for it, just as there is a time and a place for being discrete. Sadly, not all of us have learned that yet, and wind up alienating a large swath of the public, making it a hell of a lot more difficult for the rest of us to educate and persuade people who are now quite convinced that anyone with a gun is as much of a loon as this woman seemed to her associates and local law enforcement.
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Nice. Who gets to decide when it's appropriate?
 
doccer said: This woman has singlehandedly caused an entire group of people to donate to the Brady Campaign.
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doccer then said: may I make a request in that you do not resort to simple strawman arguments? It really doesn't make for very educational reading material, nor does it address the issue at hand.
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ahem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman_argument

if you don't like open carry, that's fine.
if you think open carry is a right, but think hat it should be balanced with good judgement, fine.

i won't argue either point. not because i like avoiding arguments, but because the argument's old and tired, like your theories. this is a fact: the law was broken, and a woman's rights were violated. a judge agreed, and it's now a matter of public record that her rights were violated. a judgements been made; you can stop, now.
 
Originally posted by Doccers:

This woman has singlehandedly caused an entire group of people to donate to the Brady Campaign.
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Also originally posted by Doccers:

So because they were nervous about a woman openly displaying a handgun at a child's soccer game, they're automatically written off as anti-gun people who automatically support the brady campaign?
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Seems as if you automatically assumed they would be supporting the Brady group.

so in the name of "le cause " her going off is somehow a plus?
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In what manner did she "go off"?

Seems to me from all accounts she was minding her own business, doing nothing illegal, then was harassed & had her license revoked. Then she had to go through the expense & trouble of hiring a lawyer and fighting the revokation.

Just because someone else gets scared (for no good reason), I shouldn't do something that's entirely legal???

I've had others around me be scared while I was riding dirt bikes & racing cars - and they were scared of the activities and what might happen, not because their persons were in any danger or anything dangerous was actually happening.

(I hate bringing in allegories like that but it seemed somewhat appropriate.)

Do ya'll not think that if more folks are exposed to handguns, they might not become a bit more accepting? Especially when the laws in their state make open carrying legal?? I guess not, judging from some of the statements posted.
 
Unremarkable

I'm feeling a little lazy just now.

Perhaps someone would like to do a search for posts I've made in the past containing the word "unremarkable."

Oh, and Doccers, dude, kinda close to the "trolling" line there, guy.

Bunch of clueless, government-will-save-us, tools-are-bad-and-scary folks whined and convinced an officer of the law to break the law in favor of their world view.

Sheriff screwed up. Judge fixed it.

Our society is full of you-must-live-according-to-my-rules losers, who imagine that all they need to is complain loudly and with enough voices to get their way, and the law be damned. In fact, a significant number of them imagine that whatever isn't commonplace must be illegal, 'cuz if it was legal, wouldn't everyone be doing it?

The formula for happiness contains two elements: 1) be willing to experience anything, 2) only do those things that are easily experienced by others.

However, this is not a formula for "what is right to do."

It is not the duty or obligation of people to guarantee the happiness or emotional comfort of those around them. In fact, it is simply not possible.

One is left with the duty to do what is right and to act within one's rights, and popularity is not a measure of either.

There are those who will attempt to extort others through the mechanism of "being offended."

No one is obliged to submit to extortion.
 
Many people felt going for shall issue ccw permits was alienating the population but the issue was pressed and we have made great strides in the area. We can't be afraid to use our rights for then we will lose them. This woman did'nt "go off" or do anything wrong. She simply watched her child's game while armed and open carried for her own reasons. I thought that was the fundamentals of a free society.
 
"In what manner did she "go off"?"

iirc she owned up to getting a bit heated in public. the pa gun forumn found it prudent to "sanitize" the thread
 
being offended by stupidity and saying so ain't the same as "going off," not by a long shot. "going off" is someone losing their mind, and shooting up a soccer field. sometimes i wonder if you guys actually think about what you're typing, or is it just mental diarrhea. the only other explanation i can think of is that you enjoy stirring up the pot, and don't really want to contribute anything useful.
 
I wonder if exercising your first amendment rights at a soccer game is inappropriate too... Don't want to OFFEND or BOTHER people by wearing my McCain shirt. Or, heaven forbid, my GLOCK shirt!!! Oh my god he's got a shirt with a picture of a gun, CALL THE COPS!!!
 
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