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Wool/rayon felt for wads?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Ryden, Feb 10, 2012.

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  1. Ryden

    Ryden Member

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    Quick question

    I found a big sheet of industrial felt in my fathers garage, he got it years ago to sole his waders. It's roughtly 3X3' and 1/4" thick with a pair of size 9½ footprints cut out of one corner.
    It's a 70/30 mix of wool and rayon according to a sticker. Could this be used as wads or is 30% too much rayon?
     
  2. mykeal

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    I'm tempted to say any amount of synthetic fiber is too much, but realistically 0.001% would be hard to argue against. So, what is the real practical limit? I suggest you try this: take a small square, say 1" by 1", and set it afire - you may need to use a propane torch to get it hot enough to start burning but do not hold the torch on the material. Then do the same to a similar piece of pure wool. Compare the ashes - if you find small black bits of tar in the piece with the synthetic component then 30% is too much.

    Black powder combustion chamber temperatures are generally not hot enough to fully combust most synthetic materials - it just turns them into tar. That's why you don't want to hold the torch on the material when doing this test, and that's also why using synthetic materials in wads is generally not recommended. This free atmosphere burn test will not generate the amount of heat in your gun's combustion chamber, so it's kind of an extreme test in that sense. But it will give you an idea of the amount of plastic residue - if any - that may be left behind if you use that material for wads. If it passes this test then for sure it will be ok in your gun. If not, well, I'd stay away from it.

    The only real way to be sure, of course, is to try it. The down side is that you may be left with having to remove some tar residue from your bore, not an easy task. In that case I'd err on the side of caution and not use it.
     
  3. BullRunBear

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    What Mykeal said.

    I just learned that rayon is a cellulose material, not a petroleum product, so I have no idea how it might react. It's a negative approach but I don't use synthetic anything in my black powder guns. So far that approach has worked. For a sure, no problem wad material, check out Gatofeo's home made felt wads in the Black Powder Essentials at the top of this forum. Last week I made a couple hundred lubed 45 caliber wads for less than a dollar's worth of materials.

    Jeff
     
  4. Ryden

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    @Mykeal
    Yeah, it's probably easier to just try it then to argue about it here :)

    As long as I dont get any FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T!!! posts, a bit of bore scrubbing wont hurt me. I'll cut of a bit next time I visit.

    @Bullbear
    Yeah, cellophane is basically see-through paper, right? And Rayon is spun cellophane.
    I found this in an article of how to identify different wrapping materials
    [table]
    [tr]
    [td]Material [/td]
    [td]Heat Test [/td]
    [td]Burn Test: Odor[/td]
    [td]Burn Test: Rate [/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Cellophane:Uncoated
    N/C Coated
    PVDC Coated[/td]
    [td]Does not deorient due to heat normalization, will become brittle and shrink slightly due to moisture loss [/td]
    [td]Burnt newsprint (like paper) [/td]
    [td] Does not melt, drip, or form beads; burns same as paper; continues to burn when withdrawn from flame [/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]
     
  5. PapaG

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    Bill Carmichael used felt wads in his excellent muzzleloaders with great effect. He used pure felt, however. I'd say to give it a try and see how much plastic you get. Kroil/shooter's choice and a brush will take it out anyway.
     
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    Why don't ya pour some black powder on a piece, and touch it off, and see what it does, then take a second piece and ignite it with a match, then compare the residues? Might give you an answer if before trying it in the actual barrel of a ML. I know nylon and polyester would be a bad idea, but rayon...,???

    LD
     
  7. Blue Hill

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    I found some felt flowers (think huge) at the Michaels craft store 1/8" thick and quite dense, 3 bucks each. I should be able to get several hundred wads out of each piece. Trouble is, I'm not sure what they are made of. I had read this thread before I found them so I was concerned. I cut off a 1" square and set fire to it. It burned down to ash without a melted residue as I would expect from polyester. I think I'll lube a few up and give them a try.
     
  8. Ryden

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    That sounds like rayon
     
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    I tried Walmart rayon felt and when burned I got a lot of hard little plastic bubbles. Burn it first. If it turns to ash and doesn't melt you are good to go
     
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    Ditto on the burn test. It's one of the classic ways to look for man-made fibers. Likewise if it smells like melting plastic as it burns, you want to go with something else. The nose also knows.
     
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    So what's the verdict?
     
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