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  1. Glamdring

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    Talking about as few as possible needed as tools.

    Rimfire & shotgun of some sort, deer/black bear class rifle, and perhaps a handgun? Don't know if you would really need anything different than CCW for the Handgun.

    Looking for various thoughts on the "Set" of guns you would pick. And price it would cost. Thinking there would be low price sets using Handi Rifle/Shotgun, Nagant, etc. And expensive ones.

    The price does matter and I want to know what people think for the set of guns because some may think a cheap 22 is good enough while some may want $1k 22.

    So what do you think?
     
  2. john1911

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    A 12 gauge shotgun could realistically cover just about everything. Small game, big game and self defense.
     
  3. Boolit

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    Here is an article I wrote for another site. I'll post it here, because it may help you choose what you want for a set of guns to do all you need.

    http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=304375

    I’ve been musing over what would be the essential four firearms that should be in everyone’s survival arsenal. If the world as we know it crashed in all around us tomorrow, what would be the top four most-needed, most-useful weapons? So what should be the paradigm? In any survival discussion, there are common trends of thought that people discuss. Generators, bug-out bags, long-term food storage. These are our survival paradigms… codes of conduct, or standards if you will. Has anyone ever discussed this and established the status quo?

    I submit to you, my brethren fellowship, my choices for the Four Weapons of the Apocalypse:

    #1 A .22 Caliber Rifle.

    For this I choose the mighty Ruger 10/22. The semi-auto action is solid and effectively digests thousands of rounds of even the crappiest ammunition. Great for small game, and in a pinch, it can be handed off and used as extra defensive firepower. The 10/22 is hands-down master of the quick-reload. The 10-round factory magazines are the most-reliable, but there are now fully-machined 25-rd aftermarket magazines that have even more solidity and precision than stock. Surely there are other rifles that will be more accurate that the 10/22, but the 10/22 is a winner for its great combination of quality, ease of use, and reliability.

    #2 A Scoped Bolt-action Centerfire Hunting Rifle

    We could argue the best choice for this category, but I will leave that, dear reader, up to you. I personally will be choosing my Remington 700 in .308 with the marvelous Leupold scope. A fine rifle indeed, and basically bomb-proof. A reliable weapon for harvesting big game, or in a pinch, a tactical weapon for those longer precision shots. The bolt-action hunting rifle is by no means a sniper-quality shooter, but a minute-of-scumbag shot out to 500 yards is easily possible. A fine-quality scope can mean the difference of accuracy that your life may depend upon.

    #3 A 12-gauge Shotgun

    If there were one weapon that could do it all, the venerable shotgun would come very close. The shotgun is an incomparable tool for shooting birds for the table or serving equal duty as a buckshot-loaded deer gun. With a scope and a rifled slug-barrel, you can easily drop elk and moose. As a close-quarter defensive weapon, the shotgun reigns supreme. A simple single-shot break-action shotgun would work very well, but a basic pump shotgun would be my pick. There will always be debates over which brand name is best, but even an old used pawn-shop Ithaca, or a hammered and beat up Mossberg would be better than no shotgun at all.

    #4 A Handgun

    This was perhaps the toughest category to nail down. My thoughts ran from identifying another long-gun category, or making the determination that a handgun is the logical fourth choice for a must-have weapon. A sidearm would be best to carry as a backup weapon, allowing you to stay armed while doing chores and needing both hands. A sidearm fills the bill for so many things, the list would go one forever, but suffice to say that the plausible uses for one soon made this a clear decision. Contemplating the best handgun choice was also quite a chore, given the many variables in which one could possibly use a handgun. My top picks boiled down to a couple serious contenders: The 1911 .45 pistol and a large-bore revolver. I went with a Smith and Wesson N-frame .44 Magnum revolver for its sheer reliability and versatility. Pull the trigger and it works… every time. No fuss, no bother, and enough power to take out a grizzly bear or a pcp-crazed invader.

    Disclaimer:

    Feel free to debate these choices, as nothing is set in stone. I have always maintained that the best gun to use is the one you have when you need it. Many of you will probably take notice that this list does not include a main battle rifle. For many people, and for the purposes of determining a “basic four,” I did not elect to include one in this essay because not everyone will need one, and I feel that having one would be a luxury more than a necessity, which is also a subject for debate.
     
  4. Ditto_95

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    >357 for a handgun, 12 guage for a shotgun, .308 for a rifle and a 10/22 for a rimfire. That should cover all bases.

    Anything else is a want list. Although a M4 would be very nice for some home protection at a bit of a distance.
     
  5. EHCRain10

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    I would go with a 12ga pump, 223 Rifle with a low power scope, and a 22lr bolt action.

    I know that working around my farm im never far from a vehicle so a handgun doesnt make much sense to me. Also i dont have to deal with bears in my area.
     
  6. doc2rn

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    Marlin Model 60 .22 lr~ most accurate right out of the box Stainless with scope at Walmart
    Any 12g like the Mossberg 500
    Any 30 cal hunting rifle in .308 or 30-06 or 30-30
    Handgun is personal preference I would chose Ruger MK II or a Colt Diamondback
     
  7. MPCO

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    Homestead Guns. (Great Thread Topic BTW)

    I've gotta say I think I'm on par with what everyone else before me has said. My best estimate of what I'd want by importance and approximate price are as follows:

    1) Pump shotgun for birds, camp defense and close range big game. Can fire bird, buck, slugs andspecialty loads like flares if needed. Ithaca 37, Mossberg 500, Remington 870, Winchester 1200 etc. $200 to $250 used.

    2) 22LR Rifle for small game, pest contol, inexpensive practice. Ruger 10/22, Remington 597, or any bolt action rifle (for shooting CB's) preferably scoped. $150 to $200 used.

    3) Double Action Revolver for personal defense while foraging, at the bed side and in the out house. Any S&W or RUGER 357 or 44MAG (if in BIG Bear Country :what:). $300 to $350 for the 357's and probably $400 to $500 for the 44's used.

    ................ if my Budget also allowed.......?

    4) Centerfire Autoloading Rifle for Large Game at Medium Range and for Camp Defense on a larger (SHTF) scenario. (I'll limit it to a few). M4 variants, AK Variants, Ruger Mini's. $350 to $850 used. Obviously if you get into high end guns, the sky's the limit $$$. ;)

    Just my $.02.
     
  8. Isher

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    Variation on a theme.

    Well, I do and have lived in the boonies, mostly, for decades.

    If I had to thin out the herd to the absolute bare minimum,

    It would be this:

    1.) My old Sheridan 5mm "Blue Streak" air rifle. I bought it in 1968,
    And it is still going strong. It has killed more small game than
    I can remember, and ammo is very, very cheap. It is extremely accurate
    And quiet.

    2.) 12 gauge pump gun. Mine is a Winchester 1200, with both the
    28" hunting barrel and the 18" SD barrel. Easy to change out. I got it in
    Trade for some work I did for a guy who couldn't pay.

    3.) Ruger 10/22 in WMR. The 5mm air gun is my stand in for .22 LR. The 10/22 has got a lot more zip to it. I have used it effectively on feral dogs, for just one example.

    4.) This is where I differ. Although I own various centerfire bolt guns, I would choose my CZ VZ58 in 7.62 x 39. Where I live, my field of fire is
    probably 100 yards max. The advantage is that I can use it with military ammo or hunting ammo. Thus, both a hunting weapon and an SD weapon.
    It is plenty accurate.

    5.) Pistol? Not absolutely necessary, in my opinion, unless you feel you are in a situation where you need to carry for self defense.

    A general note: In my experience with living in the boonies, shorter range shots are the rule and long range shots are the exception.


    isher
     
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  9. rhoggman

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    .22lr bolt action /w iron sights and scope

    12 ga Mossberg 500

    30 06 bolt action or Marlin 336 in 30 30 (hard decision)

    glock, xd, CZ in caliber of choice (for me probably 9mm due to low cost ammo)
     
  10. Speedo66

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    You want versatile, simple, low cost? Think Savage Mdl 24, with a centerfire barrel above, shotgun (NOT .410) below. Get an insert for firing .22 in the centerfire barrel, and you've covered all your long gun needs with one gun.

    Don't cheap out with the pistol. Get something that's not choosy about what it eats, so no semi-auto. Get a reliable revolver in a configuration that takes moderate powered and also heavy loads, i.e. .38Spl/.357, and easy to find ammo.
     
  11. griz

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    When you could still buy them new I got a Savage 24C, which is a short barreled 22LR over a 20 gauge. It was my "always/everything" gun because where I hunted you couldn't use a centerfire. It did utility work and was useful to have when you didn't plan to use a long gun. But now they are priced pretty much as collectors, so that isn't practical anymore.

    So if I needed a set of "using" tools today and price was the primary factor, I would probably get an H&R single shot with interchangeable barrels. A 12 gauge, 44 mag combo would do short range duty, or you could get a 30-06 version if you wanted to take longer shots. Any good revolver would suffice, but you could get an old Blackhawk in 44 if you wanted to minimize ammo to stock. But I would always have a 22 of some sort. It's just too useful to leave off the list.
     
  12. Wheeler44

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    Bare minimum (from an old crusty bush dweller) Rossi Trifecta (Shotgun 12 or 20 ga/centerfire .243 or .308/and .22lr) and a decent S&W or Ruger revolver..

    YMMV

    W44
     
  13. Guiding101

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    IMHO....
    #1 Ruger 10/22 is hard to beat. A close second would be good lever action .22lr.

    #2 A good bolt action rifle chambered in a military round, which makes ammunition readily available. I would have to choose a Remington 700 in .308.
    #3 Pistol: Any single 6 chambered in .40+ caliber. I myslef prefer a Ruger Black Hawk. Why..because when I pull the trigger.....it shoots. One thought my be given to changing from a bolt action scoped rifle to a lever action firing the same rounds as the pistol side arm. Range is greatly reduced as is knockdown power, but it allows you to feed both weapons the same fodder. There is a reason the cowboys of old did this, rather than opting for a heavy powered single shot.

    #4 And without a doubt the most important weapon in the arsenal has to be the 12 gauge shotgun. There is nothing that walks thi earth that a shotgun can't put in the dirt with the proper loading at the right range.
     
  14. robinray649

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    my 2 cents

    This is what I have or had before boating accident:

    #1 A .22 Caliber Rifle.

    I have/had Ruger 10/22 and Marlin 882ss wmr

    #2 A Scoped Bolt-action Centerfire Hunting Rifle

    I have/had any number like 03a3, lee #4, mosins. In addition a Winchester 94 trapper, 18 barrel in 357. Goes well with the Ruger

    #3 A 12-gauge Shotgun

    I have/had Mossburg 1300 with 20 barrel

    #4 A Handgun

    I have/had Ruger security six in 357, s&w 39-2

    Anyway before the accident I was pretty well covered. Now I am learning to scuba dive in hopes of when needed I can try and find them.
     
  15. Cosmoline

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    When I was off grid I relied almost exclusively on the CZ 452 in .22 LR. Small bag meat bag hunts were a lot more frequent and successful than any excursions for larger game.

    The drawback of the 12 ga was the tremendous noise and the sheer bulk of the shells.

    I had a variety of larger centerfire hunting rifles but rarely used them.
     
  16. Glamdring

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    Cosmoline: So would you be content with just the CZ?
     
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    Talking about as few as possible needed as tools.


    Settlers back in the 19th century usually made do with a single barrel shotgun for all uses. It was cheap, reliable, and esaily fixed if need be.
     
  18. THE DARK KNIGHT

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    AKM variant in 7.62x39

    12 Gauge Pump Shotgun

    .357 magnum revolver or a .45 ACP autoloader like a 1911

    Would cover virtually everything in your situation.
     
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    While I have a plethora of weapons, these are on my will not sell list due to this exact topic. The 44mag is slight overkill, so I would recommend the same setup in 357mag for anyone.

    .22lr rife -- Marlin 60
    shotgun -- 20ga Mossberg 500
    lever action rifle -- 44mag Marlin 1894
    revolver -- 44mag Taurus with 4" barrel
     
  20. Balog

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    .357 revolver for always carry and defense from predators 2 and 4 legged. .357 rifle for hunting anything up to elk at short range, as well as more serious fights. If you're in some of the flat wide open spaces sub in a .308 or 30-06 bolt with a 2-7 or 3x9 scope. A .22 in both rifle and pistol, ideally the same model as your rifle and pistol in a different chambering. And that's it. Shotguns... meh. If you really feel the need an NEF single shot or cheap Norinco SxS or pump would work. Of course, that's the absolute minimum. More would be better, up to a certain point. I'd say a snub J frame and 4 in K frame .357 in pistols, and a .357 lever paired with the bolt in rifles.

    Semi-autos are great, but the mags add to the logistical train.
     
  21. wifey

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    Interesting thread.

    I grew up in the country, and it always surprises me when I see a long gun in the hands of the farmer while in the cab of the tractor.

    Guns were something we had, and took out once in a while. Now I see them all the time while their working.

    Good thing they are driving in a cab and now using a hand tool.

    I know my DH would sub the hunting rifle for an AR-15. He's very fond of them.
     
  22. d2wing

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    If I only could have one I would take my CZ 452 2lr. If I can have more I would add Ruger .357. third would be ar15. Fourth would be Beretta 12 guage o/u. 5th 7400 30-06. 6th 20 guage. 7th Ruger .22lr pistol. I prefer 20 guage over 12 but ammo is easier to get for 12. I don't disagree with others choices. A high power pellet gun could a good choice. It depend on the person and where they are, and what they intend to kill.
     
  23. Brian Williams

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    I would take my Marlin 39M with the Lyman receiver sight and I need to change the front sight to a smaller gold bead. I would also take my Colt Woodsman1st series with a 6" barrel. One of these would be with me at all times.
    I would also add
    1. Marlin 1894C in 357
    2. Win 70 in one of the following 7mm-08, 308, or 358 win
    in no particular order
    3. S&W 13 3" barrel
    4. Ruger Blackhawk in 357 with 5" barrel

    For My Wife I would have an H&R 20 gauge single shot.
     
  24. SSN Vet

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    Two tools... one caliber...

    a .357 or .44 mag revolver

    and a lever gun in the same...

    Used strictly for tools and not fun, a couple boxes of cartridges could last you a long time
     
  25. Isher

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    Re: 44


    Pity the poor rabbit.

    You might have enough for a very thin stew,

    If you managed to pick up all the pieces.............

    isher
     
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