Would this be justified or would you go straight to Jail?

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Pretty much what the person in the car did do. It wasn't clear from the video whether there were any opportunities to (safely) break traffic laws to get away. I would have done that if possible. When the guy came down the driver's side of the car with the tire iron, I'd have drawn but not been on target. If he broke the driver's side window, then and only then would I have aimed and "asked" the man to go away--with the window broken, the next swing can come on through and put me six feet under. Even then, if he backs down, I'm outta there if possible. Any day I don't have to pull the trigger is a good day. I desire most of all to go to my grave having never needed to use my sidearm.
 
Poor bastard.... it's just white America oppressing him that causes these actions. I think he needs a hug, but I would have had to shoot him.
 
Outlimit... I don't believe so. I believe this is from bum-fights where they paid "bums" to destory property and fight each other for almost nothing. I believe the person making these videos was charged with some criminal enterprise or something.
 
Ooops, sorry, I couldn't see very well because of the cracked windows, otherwise I would never have run over your stinking carcass (twice).

PS: Hey BG's - if you want me to listen to you, try speaking English!
 
If it was real (which I VERY much doubt) and the driver was an innocent third party, then yes it appears to be a good shot. He has an extremely deadly weapon and is trying to get at the driver with it. Again assuming this isn't staged with the driver in on it, there's not even a hint of a grey zone. Why would there be?

then and only then would I have aimed and "asked" the man to go away
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With respect, you're being WAY too conservative here and as many do you're overestimating the protection a car gives you. A car is a death trap. A car stuck in traffic doubly so. You're chained down to the seat and can be pinned there with minimal effort by the attacker. Your vitals are totally exposed. With a good swing the window will cave in on top of you, and it will be all over. Shoot THROUGH the window and for the love of mike don't wait to reason with him! Any other course is foolhardy. The man is trying to kill that driver. When faced with imminent deadly peril, never bandy words. SHOOT! Shoot or risk death.
 
Why hurt your ears and waste ammo? I would have just ran him down with the car. "I was afraid for my life and trying to escape, I didn't mean to run him over."
 
I don't think it is "fake"

The place it was taped is in Las Vegas on the Strip. I am pretty sure the police would have a problem with that being "faked".

Just my opinion
 
Whether or not the punk was put up to it or not is beside the point. The car and its driver are being attacked.

If there was no clear way to get out of that traffic box, I think I would have given him a *strong* nudge with the car when he got either in front or behind me. I think it would have been prudent to park the car over him until the cops arrived.

K
 
Using the car is a poor choice. On the one hand, it may prove more lethal than you expect, and if you're armed there may be some question as to whether or not deadly force was really justified. It's incredibly risky to try to use a car as a less-than-lethal defensive weapon, for obvious reasons. On the other hand, it may simply enrage the attacker further and put you at even more risk of death.
 
I heard "street", "sellin' crack", "killin' "[censored]", "[censored]", "[censored]", "[censored]", something else, and a whole big bunch of unitelligeable gibberish. He would have heard "bangbang".

He smashed the window, yanked on the door, swinging a tire iron, asking "whatcha gonna do". Clearly a threat because he is compromising the integrity of the vehicle with something he chose to use as a deadly weapon, I would have no idea of his intent, and therefore I would defend myself.
 
If this guy was fired on few people would argue against it. But I would be worried about firing at the odd angle from the drivers seat most likely only able to use one hand. Tactically I think the car might make a better tool but I would have DEFINITLY cleared leather.
 
I disagree with the disagreement. An unprovoked attack with an apparently heavy blunt instrument (big dents in car) and smashed windows along with angry ranting and cursing passes, in my layman's opinion, the "reasonable man" test that there is a crazy em-efer that wants to do me serious bodily harm. I'll give him a grill check and let the judge (no jury trial) view the damage to the car and hear the witness testimony.

K
 
I agree, you *have* to think about stray shots on a crowed street. Might be the only option if he tries to come swinging his *weapon* through the smashed window. Definitely draw and give his crazy ass something to think about. Don't forget the loud verbal warning to back off.

K
 
Once he broke a window on purpose i'd probably assume I was being carjacked and would have reacted appropriately to stop the threat.
 
Yeah, that was Las Vegas (my hometown, and my I never call it "home" again). Frankly, staged or not, I'm shocked that Metro didn't come down on his head in no time flat; downtown, you're never much farther away from a bike cop than a block or so, especially in that area, less if you're around the courthouse (from which they are about five or so miles, by my estimation). I do remember there being a huge fuss about those reprehensible "bum fights" that some enterprising degenerate commissioned, and this very well could be the handy work of that gentleman or another, similarly morally destitute individual. If that were indeed the case, I would not be at all shocked if the driver of that car were not in on it.

Oh yeah: there's no reason to believe that if someone is destroying your car--with you in it--that he will stop at the car. In fact, there would be plenty of reason to believe that he was trying to get into the car so that he could harm you. On those grounds, I would think someone would probably be vindicated in shooting, especially given the severe damage that was done to the car providing good evidence on behalf of the shooter.

However, there's a whole lot of people in not too much space there, all crammed together like people tend to do when they want to get as close as humanly possible to the intersection during rush hour. A miss could have grievous consequences. But that's the kind of thing to think about when we play armchair quarterback, not when something like that is actually going down. Either way, I'm just glad nothing like that has happened to me or anyone I know; that would be the pits.
 
Clean shoot IMO. Plenty of witnesses to back you up and a video tape to boot (if the filmmaker was found).

I guess My reaction would be to sudue him by brandishing the weapon, and if he flees don't shoot him in the back. Let him go. If he takes one step towards you after brandishing the weapon, shoot him center mass.
 
I would have shot if it was me. In any self-defense situation you need to be able to articulate your reason for shooting. " Due to the amount of traffic in front of and behind me, I was unable to to put a safe distance between myself and the subject. I felt I had no other alternative that to fire on the subject. I was in iminent fear of my life and had no other choice than to fire in hopes that it would STOP the subject."
 
Not this again. It's old, faked as hell and it's been talked about to death. Do you seriously think this punk would do this to a strange car in a state where loaded guns in the vehicle are legal?
 
Lots of legal stuff still has the potential to get your butt hauled down to the pokey while The Law mulls over the books to see if you're worth working over.

E.g.: I believe open carry is legal all throughout Nevada (while I know car-carry is NOT in many cities around Vegas).

See what happens when you throw an AK over your shoulder and take a stroll down Las Vegas Boulevard. :p
 
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