longtooth
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Forgot something
The wife was w/ me & she was armed too. 24-7 is for ladies too. So I guess the answer is Yes. Yes.
The wife was w/ me & she was armed too. 24-7 is for ladies too. So I guess the answer is Yes. Yes.
Would you carry during a Wake/Funeral?
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"If I was going to fret over "odds" I sure as hell wouldn't get into a car. Much greater chance of buying it in a MVA than by being killed in a criminal attack."
You do carry personal insurance and auto insurance though, don't you? You'd be foolish not to even though the chances of you being killed or even seriously injured in an auto accident are very slim. You carry homwowner's insurance too, don't you? Even though the chances of your house being destroyed are extremely slim.
The chances of something happening are very unlikely but you still carry insurance because IF something does happen it WILL be a serious life altering event. It could put you into financial ruin even if you survive the crash, fire, hurricane, flood, etc.
In the case of not being prepared to thwart a criminal attack, you could be seriously injured, crippled for life, or killed (kidnapped, dumped into the woods with a bullet in the head, throat slit, etc) and either could put you or your family into financial ruin as well.
So, discontinue your insurances (If the mortgage company and DMV will let you) to include your personal insurance since it's a waste of money. According to your reasoning, nothing will likely happen anyway.
You do carry personal insurance and auto insurance though, don't you? You'd be foolish not to even though the chances of you being killed or even seriously injured in an auto accident are very slim. You carry homwowner's insurance too, don't you? Even though the chances of your house being destroyed are extremely slim.
The chances of something happening are very unlikely but you still carry insurance because IF something does happen it WILL be a serious life altering event. It could put you into financial ruin even if you survive the crash, fire, hurricane, flood, etc.
In the case of not being prepared to thwart a criminal attack, you could be seriously injured, crippled for life, or killed (kidnapped, dumped into the woods with a bullet in the head, throat slit, etc) and either could put you or your family into financial ruin as well.
So, discontinue your insurances (If the mortgage company and DMV will let you) to include your personal insurance since it's a waste of money. According to your reasoning, nothing will likely happen anyway.
carebear- I'm just saying what I think. Am I not allowed?
jbrown50- I keep insurance on my car. It would be very unwise to drive without insurance. But I would probably not pay the premiums on a car parked for extended periods and not driven. Now, a drunk may careen up the driveway and plow through the garage door and hit my parked car, but the overwhelming odds are it won't happen. Same with a funeral, or any other place where I don't feel it unwise to be unarmed. The situations mentioned earlier are simply so low risk that I don't consider it unwise to be unarmed in these places. I just seriously doubt that my life will be threatened at a funeral. I guess that if some genius ever gets the bright idea to stick up a funeral procession I happen to be in, well I'm just screwed, aren't I?
If any of you want to carry at a funeral, go ahead. But I think it unnecessary (and just a tad paranoid). I find asking the question a bit silly. But these are just my opinions and you're free to disagree.
Why are some of you getting mad at me over this? Why the sarcastic replies? You don't have to do what I say. You don't have to agree with me. But can't I at least say what I think? Is total agreement required for participation?
jbrown50- I keep insurance on my car. It would be very unwise to drive without insurance. But I would probably not pay the premiums on a car parked for extended periods and not driven. Now, a drunk may careen up the driveway and plow through the garage door and hit my parked car, but the overwhelming odds are it won't happen. Same with a funeral, or any other place where I don't feel it unwise to be unarmed. The situations mentioned earlier are simply so low risk that I don't consider it unwise to be unarmed in these places. I just seriously doubt that my life will be threatened at a funeral. I guess that if some genius ever gets the bright idea to stick up a funeral procession I happen to be in, well I'm just screwed, aren't I?
If any of you want to carry at a funeral, go ahead. But I think it unnecessary (and just a tad paranoid). I find asking the question a bit silly. But these are just my opinions and you're free to disagree.
Why are some of you getting mad at me over this? Why the sarcastic replies? You don't have to do what I say. You don't have to agree with me. But can't I at least say what I think? Is total agreement required for participation?
carebear
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thatguy,
Of course you can say what you think. My problem is that your thoughts are writ large enough to encompense everyone who posted with their actual reasons for carrying all the time.
By continuing to assert your thoughts in the face of their declarations you are, in effect, calling them liars. Which one shouldn't do.
Either tighten up your descriptions of to whom your thoughts apply or just be up front about your challenges to other's honor and honesty.
To passively-aggressively deny, by using a diffident phrase like "I think that some...", with its implicit dismissing of those persons own stated reasons, the reality of others statements about themselves is supercilious and patronizing.
In other words, I KNOW you are wrong in your thoughts about I and everyone else who has, after reflection, decided (and in this thread stated) that to carry at only selected times is patently illogical given the known realities of violent conflict and our own inability to, with 100% accuracy, predict both the future in general and the actions of those around us who we do not know specifically.
Since I KNOW you are wrong, that I am not "just into packing heat" but instead do so, with some personal sacrifices involved, because I feel it to be the only reasonable way to approach the subject; I take your trite dismissal as an attempted personal insult to both my honesty and intelligence.
Reword your "thought" and the problem goes away.
Of course you can say what you think. My problem is that your thoughts are writ large enough to encompense everyone who posted with their actual reasons for carrying all the time.
By continuing to assert your thoughts in the face of their declarations you are, in effect, calling them liars. Which one shouldn't do.
Either tighten up your descriptions of to whom your thoughts apply or just be up front about your challenges to other's honor and honesty.
To passively-aggressively deny, by using a diffident phrase like "I think that some...", with its implicit dismissing of those persons own stated reasons, the reality of others statements about themselves is supercilious and patronizing.
In other words, I KNOW you are wrong in your thoughts about I and everyone else who has, after reflection, decided (and in this thread stated) that to carry at only selected times is patently illogical given the known realities of violent conflict and our own inability to, with 100% accuracy, predict both the future in general and the actions of those around us who we do not know specifically.
Since I KNOW you are wrong, that I am not "just into packing heat" but instead do so, with some personal sacrifices involved, because I feel it to be the only reasonable way to approach the subject; I take your trite dismissal as an attempted personal insult to both my honesty and intelligence.
Reword your "thought" and the problem goes away.
pythonguy
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Well Thatguy,
To these guys if you don't have a gun stuffed up your butt 24/7 you are in danger. In other words, they ARE paranoid, and I'm not afraid to say it. The feeling of power is a powerful drug, you can still love to keep guns and shoot even if you don't carry.
To these guys if you don't have a gun stuffed up your butt 24/7 you are in danger. In other words, they ARE paranoid, and I'm not afraid to say it. The feeling of power is a powerful drug, you can still love to keep guns and shoot even if you don't carry.
ruger270man
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I carry everywhere except to a bar or the courthouse.
church, funerals, walmart, post office, whatever.
church, funerals, walmart, post office, whatever.
"To these guys if you don't have a gun stuffed up your butt 24/7 you are in danger. In other words, they ARE paranoid, and I'm not afraid to say it. The feeling of power is a powerful drug, you can still love to keep guns and shoot even if you don't carry."
The anti-gun crowd thinks that your simple love for guns makes you even more of a wacko. (So.....tell me again.....why do you own and shoot guns?
It's a "power trip" that can be corrected with therapy, you know.)
The anti-gun crowd thinks that your simple love for guns makes you even more of a wacko. (So.....tell me again.....why do you own and shoot guns?
It's a "power trip" that can be corrected with therapy, you know.)Wait a minute! Where did I ever "challenge" anyone's "honor" or "honesty?" All I said was that I think some people go a little overboard in feeling the need to be armed 24/7. You're making WAY too much out of what I said. I never intended any personal insult or slight. I was simply musing about the situation.
And if you think there aren't people who are into concealed carry just because it pumps them up, then you haven't met a few of the folks I have spoken with. Trust me, they're out there.
And if you think there aren't people who are into concealed carry just because it pumps them up, then you haven't met a few of the folks I have spoken with. Trust me, they're out there.
denfoote
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I was carrying during my own mother's funeral!!
Just because you're paranoid, it does not mean they really aren't out to get you!!
Just because you're paranoid, it does not mean they really aren't out to get you!!
joab
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If you carry, you carry.
Why should a funeral/wake be any different than an outing to the grocery store.
Carrying is not so much about the destination as it is the journey sometimes.
No matter where you go you have to get there Should you be disarmed just because you are on your way to a funeral
ctdonath
I guess I should read through a thread before posting on it
Why should a funeral/wake be any different than an outing to the grocery store.
Carrying is not so much about the destination as it is the journey sometimes.
No matter where you go you have to get there Should you be disarmed just because you are on your way to a funeral
ctdonath
I guess I should read through a thread before posting on it
Texian Pistolero
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Better to carry at funerals,
than to be carried at funerals.
than to be carried at funerals.
ctdonath
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I think some people go a little overboard in feeling the need to criticize those who are armed 24/7.
Do you want to "get it"? or do you just want to laugh at those who think differently from you?
Some choose to carry always, unless some compelling reason dictates otherwise.
Some choose to carry never, unless some compelling reason dictates otherwise.
Some choose to carry sometimes, always fussing over whether there is a compelling reason one way or the other.
Which is the most reasonable?
Yes, there are some who carry "because it pumps them up". Jerks exist. Some of us are having a problem with the way you seem to be indicating we're that kind of jerk.
Jbrown50- By the way, not to beat a dead horse, but I checked the three news links you provided and none of them involved violent crimes committed against participants DURING a funeral.
The first was about vehicle burglaries in the parking lot. This would not be considered a situation warranting the use of deadly force unless they attacked you when you found them breaking into cars. It does happen, rarely, but really the best thing to do if you see someone breaking into your car is avoid confronting them and just call the cops. That’s their job. If you confront them they will likely just run. What then? You can’t shoot people for breaking into your car. I know you want to, I sure do, but it would not be justified by law. If you shot them as they ran you may very well be charged with a crime and sued by the survivors or their families. Maybe they won’t run, maybe it’s that very rare instance where they attack you. Now you must either kill them or perhaps be killed and you set yourself up for that situation. Is that what you really want? Confronting criminals and trying to take them captive is best left for the police. I wouldn’t try to hold someone at gunpoint unless I had no other option and that wouldn’t be the case if I saw them and then ran out to confront them.
The second event would warrant using deadly force, but again, it happened in the car in the parking lot, not during the funeral. I said I keep a gun in the car and retrieve it as soon as I open the door so I would not have been unarmed.
In the third case the funeral home employees were merely witnesses to the suspect preparing to commit a crime at another address and at the time of their interaction they had no idea the woman had criminal intent. I don’t see where being armed was necessary or useful, here, either.
As far as I’m concerned everyone can carry when and where you please. I would never try to stop you or even advise against it. Like I said, I carry most of the time and I would expect any reasonable person to do the same. It’s just that there are a few places where it seems overboard to feel the need to be armed and the practice of asking in public for a general consensus on packing at funerals or birthday parties or whatever strikes me a little silly. Do it or don’t do it. What’s to talk about? It’s your choice. You don't need permission from anyone here.
The first was about vehicle burglaries in the parking lot. This would not be considered a situation warranting the use of deadly force unless they attacked you when you found them breaking into cars. It does happen, rarely, but really the best thing to do if you see someone breaking into your car is avoid confronting them and just call the cops. That’s their job. If you confront them they will likely just run. What then? You can’t shoot people for breaking into your car. I know you want to, I sure do, but it would not be justified by law. If you shot them as they ran you may very well be charged with a crime and sued by the survivors or their families. Maybe they won’t run, maybe it’s that very rare instance where they attack you. Now you must either kill them or perhaps be killed and you set yourself up for that situation. Is that what you really want? Confronting criminals and trying to take them captive is best left for the police. I wouldn’t try to hold someone at gunpoint unless I had no other option and that wouldn’t be the case if I saw them and then ran out to confront them.
The second event would warrant using deadly force, but again, it happened in the car in the parking lot, not during the funeral. I said I keep a gun in the car and retrieve it as soon as I open the door so I would not have been unarmed.
In the third case the funeral home employees were merely witnesses to the suspect preparing to commit a crime at another address and at the time of their interaction they had no idea the woman had criminal intent. I don’t see where being armed was necessary or useful, here, either.
As far as I’m concerned everyone can carry when and where you please. I would never try to stop you or even advise against it. Like I said, I carry most of the time and I would expect any reasonable person to do the same. It’s just that there are a few places where it seems overboard to feel the need to be armed and the practice of asking in public for a general consensus on packing at funerals or birthday parties or whatever strikes me a little silly. Do it or don’t do it. What’s to talk about? It’s your choice. You don't need permission from anyone here.
"As far as I’m concerned everyone can carry when and where you please. I would never try to stop you or even advise against it. Like I said, I carry most of the time and I would expect any reasonable person to do the same. It’s just that there are a few places where it seems overboard to feel the need to be armed and the practice of asking in public for a general consensus on packing at funerals or birthday parties or whatever strikes me a little silly. Do it or don’t do it. What’s to talk about? It’s your choice. You don't need permission from anyone here."
Ah!
So, we agree that it is YOUR PERSONAL choice to own or not to own guns or to carry or not to carry guns. Correct?
You shouldn't be thought of as "wierd or strange" because you choose either way. It is a God given right and a right re-affirmed under the Second Amendment. You also have a God given right to choose not to exercise it for whatever reasons that are valid to you personally.
Sometimes we as gun owners can be just as prejudiced to one another as the anti's are to us.
Ah!
So, we agree that it is YOUR PERSONAL choice to own or not to own guns or to carry or not to carry guns. Correct?
You shouldn't be thought of as "wierd or strange" because you choose either way. It is a God given right and a right re-affirmed under the Second Amendment. You also have a God given right to choose not to exercise it for whatever reasons that are valid to you personally.
Sometimes we as gun owners can be just as prejudiced to one another as the anti's are to us.
Ben Shepherd
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I've carried 3 caskets in the last three years. I had my "sunday-go-to-meeting" suit tailored for CCW purposes.
You either carry- or you don't. I do.
You either carry- or you don't. I do.
abaddon
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I went to my friend's wedding this weekend unarmed. I would have preferred to be armed, but it was very hot and I didn't want to wear a jacket. I don't yet own a gun that can be carried without a jacket.
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Boss Spearman
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If a person is going to defend their life or a loved ones, they need to have the mind set to carry everywhere, because as someone said, you never know.
CAPTAIN MIKE
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It's Simple Really ...
..Carry everywhere you can, unless the law says you can't
..Carry everywhere you can, unless the law says you can't
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