Would you stay in a state that stopped allowing you to carry

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As a smaller guy, I'm more in need of an equalizer. I'd go where the laws carry me.
 
I moved my business and myself out of California and I had a permit to carry concealed.

There's a correlation between restricted gun rights and restricted freedoms in general.

If you do a search on "business friendly states", "states ranked by personal freedom" and "states with strong gun regulations", you'll notice states like New York and California show up on the wrong end of every ranking.

I moved, not only because the gun regulations are illogical and frankly disgusting, but having a "nanny state" hover over personal and business decisions is something a grown person does not need.
 
At various times in the last 10-12 years, my mother and cousin have tried to get me to move back to Illinois, Chicago in particular.

I would rather be homeless in Ohio than live in the ONLY state in the Union without ANY citizen carry.

Anti-gun states INVARIABLY have many OTHER qualities which I find loathsome. I find EVERY anti-gun state repugnant in SOME way, BESIDES just its imposed duty to be a victim for the first drooling, atavistic animal who comes along, be it corruption, racism, or police criminality.
 
It fits in with the current administration’s policies of sneaking things so complicated and obscure that no one reads the anymore because they are thousands of pages long and are given out a day or a week before going into effect. We are being lulled into false sense of security about our 2A rights as of late. Giving us the right to own suppressors and full auto weapons, it makes me wonder what the catch is. Did they really give up and decide that they are just going to let us have what we want, when the powers that be are more deceitful and cunning than any before them? I think not. I also hope I am wrong, but will sleep with one eye open while I wait to see if this new liberty we have is permanent or temporary. Meanwhile the current administration is going to appoint 2 more Supremes if re-elected. When Ruth Ginsberg said a couple weeks ago to the Egyptian president that , Egypt's constitution should be applauded as what a modern day version of what ours should be, as Our constitution is outdated, it makes me wonder what lies ahead if they have a majority and can try to re-write the current version. i hope we vote this administration out of office for all our sakes, because as we saw many times before, nothing is farfetched. Stay vigilant, now our names are on documents, "I assume" when you apply for federal tax stamps etc". I haven't gone that route yet only for that reason, I would rather do without for now.But when the UN starts trying to petition our Government to strip away our gun rights it is something to be concerned about. Some states won't be bullied and others will use any excuse to strip us of what we hold so dear. i took a huge cut in my salary, owning businesses all my life in NY. But decided that after surviving a home invasion and a couple robberies, that it was more important to be at peace with myself and hold my future in "my hand" instead of some law enforcement agency who may or may not respond in time to be of any help. Only when you are looking down the barrell of a shotgun, do you realize how important it is to have the final say so on how you exit this world. I refused to allow anyone the right to play god over me and mine without at least having a fighting chance.You can be lucky only so many times.To live in fear is not to live at all.
 
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I live in a pretty gun friendly state where a guy can have a loaded, in the chamber, rifle/shotgun/hand gun in the cab of a vehicle even during hunting season. Now, I see where Wisconsin has the carry law enacted. However, I will be willing to bet that if it ever does back to the Dems they will fight for a repeal. I left there in 1960 and never looked back.
 
Dear gym, I would suggest that it might have been a good idea to negotiate a position as a consultant with the new owner of your former business in NY; the best time to do this is before the sale.
 
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No advocating this for anyone else certainly, but.
I always believed in the "Rather I be judged by 12 then carried by 6" thing.

I have carried CCW off & on for about 50+ years when I felt it necessary.
Before & after the state CCW became law in 2006.

Thank god I have never in all those 50+ years had to use a ccw, or been stopped for doing something foolish by the cops and charged with it.
Knock on wood.

All I can say is, Me, Too! I tend to look at "laws" more as suggestions for behavior, rather than orders chiseled in stone. After all, there are exceptions to every rule, right? So I'll stay where I am and take my chances.;)

Walter
 
I definitely would not move to a state that didn't recognize my 2nd amendment right. However, I live in a state that does recognize it. If it were to change the laws, I would have a difficult time relocating because work is here and in my line of work it is not easy to relocate.
 
I currently live in New York. As soon as possible I am getting out and taking my wealth with me. I cannot wait to move. The lack of respect for the 2nd amendment is overwhelming.
 
I have moved from the country of my birth which has very restrictive gun laws, and now live, and am a citizen of, the US. Gun laws did influence what state we settled in, we Chose Washington state, in 1970.

Better than the 2A is Article 1 section 24 of the Washington state constitution. There is absolutely no doubt in the interpertation of "The right of the INDIVIDUAL..."
 
Better than the 2A is Article 1 section 24 of the Washington state constitution. There is absolutely no doubt in the interpertation of "The right of the INDIVIDUAL..."

I've seen that in the WA constitution. Its nice to see it stated plainly. In Idaho, it isn't stated plainly as an individual right, but Article I, Section 11 states no law shall be passed requiring registration of firearms and that confiscation is illegal unless a felony has been committed. E.g., a police officer cannot take possession of your weapon during a traffic stop.
 
This thread is a counter-factual. The trend is toward more permissive carry, not less. Plus, we might well get national reciprocity before too long.

Very true, but progress can be halted and reversed if we don't stay vigilant.
Gun rights seem to ebb and flow in this country.
And while the general trend looks good, there are "bad pockets." a NYSRPA rep left a twenty-page printout of gun related legislation working its way through the New York State legislative bodies at my local gun range.
 
I have refused three moves to Californina from my company largely because I'd have to sell over half of my guns to move there. The other reason was economically driven, taxes, cost of housing, etc. I did accept moves to CO, and KY, both very gun friendly and much better economically for me.

Bottom line is that gun laws are an indicator of freedom, and the general public's attitudes in that state, thereforer I avoid ones that restrict legal gun ownership, and carry. I think it is a good barometer.
 
... progress can be halted and reversed if we don't stay vigilant. Gun rights seem to ebb and flow in this country.

So very true. And while it is fashionable to put down New York and its draconian gun laws, what some of the chest-thumpers on this board don't seem to realize is that the loss of their gun rights in their so-called "free" states is just a signature or two away; their freedoms exist at the whim of their governing body. It can happen ... and where will you move then? The bottom line is that the restrictive firearms laws in any state is an affront to all who support the Second Amendment regardless of the state in which one currently resides.
Would you expect, for example, one who has an established cardiology practice in New York to pack their bags and move to Idaho because of our 10-round magazine restriction? Or to uproot one's family regardless of their spouse's or children's feelings? Get real. Illinois's problem is equally Utah's problem as New Jersey's is Montana's. New York City's gun and knife laws should be an affront to all of us who love liberty regardless of where you live, and the sooner we start thinking of the whole rather than the parts, the safer our liberties will be.
 
Carrying? I probably wouldn't move. I made it many years without a carry permit and still due to many factors only carry maybe 10-15% of the time I'm in public. Carrying is something that I exercise when its convenient, and if it's not, then I have no issues not doing so.

Now if I was told that I couldn't OWN guns or shoot them at the range, then that might influence a moving decision.
 
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Ohio did not have CC for many years, I still carried. My life is a bit more important to me then following the law. I pretty much called someone an idiot that was complaining about working in a high crime area and working for a company that wouldn't allow him to carry. Would any of you want to die for the company you work for?
 
No and I had HRS call me into his office because they ran a check and it came back that I had a carry for 30 years ,"at the time, "10 years ago.
He actualy asked me why I had a gun. I told him it was none of his business. He had refused to shake my hand whe I walked in. I kenw right then what I was dealing with.
He then went on about not bringing guns into the workplace and not in the car either. That's where I drew the line. I neve would bring a gun to a business where I worked and didn't have permission. But my car is off limits I told him it's not his business, and he threatned to search my car, i then told him I would have him arrested for breaking into my vechicle, as he did not even own the parking lot where I parked. I told him to F, off, he said he was contacting legal, I told him that was a good idea since he didn't know what he was talking about.
I left, and nothing was ever done, although I decided I didn't want to work for these guys, and left after I made sure he could do nothing, stayed just long enough to stick it in his face.Of course he was a CA executive. brought to FL to make sure things were running right. Far right.I really laid him out once he got nasty, I told him he was a pompous ass, who was miss informed and didn't even know the laws of the state he was in. I also told him I made more money than he ever did and he wa a "little man" with a big ego. And if he wanted to take it any further with the personell attacks, I could accomadate him at his pleasure, as he threatned me several times. explained he was in the South now, and we try to be gentlemen, but if you are looking to mouth off,that won't be tolerated. This is the type of jerk that can ruin your day if you let him.
 
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