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Wounded Black Bear attacks hunter, hunter responds with .45

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by msiley, Jul 10, 2009.

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  1. msiley

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  2. RoostRider

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    I guess that should start to dispel the myth that the .45 or even the .44 Mag. are guaranteed one hit stoppers eh? And starts to prove that a well placed shot beats several poorly placed shots.

    Now that is commitment!
     
  3. Cosmoline

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    260 *after* field dressing, so it was a big one! I do wonder what happened with that first .338 shot. What bullet was it? Did it fail to expand?
     
  4. runrabbitrun

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    When you go into bear country, take an RPG that you purchased
    at one of the southern state's gun shows or gun shops.

    Oh wait, you can't because we all smuggled them south to make some dough in Mexico. :D
     
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    Maybe a second .338 shot would have done what four .45 and two .44 bearly did.:)
     
  6. Vern Humphrey

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    Professional hunters in Africa always advise a fast second shot when dealing with dangerous game -- or even with antelope. They say one great fault of American hunters is "admiring the shot" -- standing there and looking when they should be working the bolt and putting another one into the animal.
     
  7. Marve

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    A case for a semi auto .338 with detachable magazine?
     
  8. heavyshooter

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    My friends tell me that a black bear is more tame and easier to kill with a reasonable caliber. By "tame" they mean that a startled or wounded bear will try to avoid humans. And a "reasonable caliber" would be .357 or .44 magnum. It seems that none of my friends know what they are talking about. :rolleyes:

    BTW - This is why I am in the old school camp that believes that semi-autos do NOT make good trail guns. On the trail, I would rather have a Ruger GP100 (.44 Mag) than a 1911 any day of the week.

    Heavy
     
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    That would be a good trick seeing as how the GP100 is 357 mag.
     
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    This is why most people I know that spend time in bear country carry a .45-70 slung over their shoulder rather than mess with handguns.
     
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    I definitely prefer a magnum cartridge in the backcountry.
     
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    should have had a shotgun with slugs and left the handguns at home for fun at the range.
     
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    Goes to show that the simplicity of a revolver would have allowed him more than 3 shots before the mag release was hit. Thank god he lived through that.... and has the teeth marks on the .45 as a bad ass souvenir.
     
  14. paintballdude902

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    doesnt surprise me

    i put like 4 shots of .30-30 into a 350lbs bear here when it charged me, it just ran into the woods
     
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    Maybe the guy should have spent some more time at the range. A good shot from a .338, .45, or .44 mag with the right bullet should drop an animal that size. Carry what you can shoot the best, a rifle, pistol or whatever.
     
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    Usually when something is trying to eat you it is hard to get off a good shot
     
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    boot ive shot bears with .44magnum, 12guage slugs, .45-70 guide guns, and my .30-30

    doesnt matter where you hit the bear if the bear is spooked you better destroy the brain
    a guy i know was using a ruger semi .44mag carbine shot the bear in the face and the bear kept moving. apparantly the bullet found the perfect path for doing nothing broke alot of bone but didnt touch the spine, brane, or arteries
     
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    Exceptions to Every Rule.

    I don't feel quite so silly now when packing my 1911 when I go deer hunting in Eastern Oklahoma in the fall.
     
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    Wow, I think the new rule on bears is TO PLAN FOR AN IMMEDIATE SECOND SHOT and if it drops immediately then just don't pull the trigger, but after the first shot, AUTOMATICALLY get ready for a second shot. We say "two in the chest, one in the head" for dealing with human attackers, but for some odd reason, there isn't a similar rule for bears.

    Dang I wanna see that :D
     
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    That'll downright rattle some folks. Not me, of course. I'm just saying.
     
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    Um, no, that is actually "average" to small in the coastal PNW where these guys were. Frankly, I know local hunters who would not bother to take a shot at one that small as it wasn't "sporting." I had another friend who was a dedicated AK grizzly hunter (he held the NA record for a few decades, actually) and he would not unsling his rifle for anything less than 500lbs he told me once. FYI - I am not putting myself in their league - they are people I know personally - and out of my league by far; just clarifying that for a bear in OR/WA/Can./etc. that is not large. Let's not even talk about AK or northern Can.!

    They are that small on average in other parts of the US and interior Canada and other countries. There is a big variance in average size based on habitat. For Oregon/WA/BC on or in the western side of the Cascade slopes, that is not large. I have even seen some I and another hunter both estimated at 400+ pounds even in Eastern WA (granted that was late fall during their hyperphagic feeding season).

    Damn good advice. "Double Tap" is more than a brand of ammo.

    Hello? .338? They weren't just joking with that caliber, you know.

    Or the ejection port was jammed by fur or flesh, or the slide was not allowed to lock back because it was in the belly, etc. These are but a few of the reason my serious self-defense guns are all magnum revolvers. I love autos, but when it's serious, it's a revolver for me. I will take the odds of six pretty certain rounds of .44 Magnum vs. 18 probable rounds of 9mm or .40 S&W in a civilian self-defense scenario any day.

    Amen. For those who didn't read the story (seems like many of the posters), this bear took a .338 and then stalked the hunter. And this is where, once there is some better scientific evidence, bear spray might hold an edge. It effects the nasal mucosa if you hit them square in the nose. This is wired straight into the brain via one of the cranial nerves. So it CAN be highly effective. But you have to hit the nose just right. In serious bear country, am beginning to believe both are really wise. Neither is foolproof, but better more weapons than just one. Especially when one of them is as cheap as pepper spray.

    Now this is my favorite quote about North American black bears I've ever run across; I keep it bookmarked for reference:

    So I am thinking of packing a Mazda in addition to my .44, .30-30, and pepper spray! ;)
     
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    Sounds like a likely choice! The 338 was traveling much to fast where the Mazda had more knockdown power ......LOL
     
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    Exactly. Go Momentum!!! Now this is semi-related, but I knew of a woman in VT that died and her honda CRX was totaled when she hit a moose at night (school teacher from Bennington, mid or late 80s I think). Problem with hitting a moose with a CRX is that you basically knee-cap it, and then the body/trunk falls through the windshield and into your lap. After I heard that story, I got a VERY big sedan (would have been better off with an SUV or truck) when I lived in Vermont. Despite any efficiency/enviro concerns, since then I've never criticized anyone for choosing safety over efficiency - good thing or else I'd be a serious hypocrite given what we know drive.
     
  24. paintballdude902

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    Oro just avoid the toyota tracels....... and older fellow my dad know hit a 650 coming home from the airport one night totaled the tracel and sent the engine 20 ft past the bear

    frank was ok but he was dang scared
     
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    In North Carolina ?!?!
     
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