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(WP) "Schools Teach the Hard-Edged Lessons of Combat" (duplicate threads merged)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by K-Romulus, May 2, 2006.

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  1. K-Romulus

    K-Romulus Member

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    I am not sure where this article should be discussed, seeing as how the article touches on legal-political/tactics/general all at the same time.

    Better get your training now, before the schools get shut down like they were (so I heard) in the UK in the face of "public outrage."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/01/AR2006050101217_pf.html

    There is so much to comment on, I could spend all day and end up getting fired from work. I think the highlights spell out my concerns.

    Of course the article talks about the one idiot in the class, but the idiot was getting training to NOT be an idiot . . .
     
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  2. merk

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    Wow.


    Why in the world would a free person beg and beg for regulation?
     
  3. swacje41

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    Not to be argumentative, but some regulation is good for freedom. Imagine how your freedom of movement would be impaired without traffic regulations, or regulations governing who can get a license and drive. A society without regulations is probably unsustainable and unworkable.
     
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    this has nothing to do with traffic regulations and you know it.
     
  5. Smurfslayer

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    PP is drawing an analogy to what a "Hell on earth" driving would be with zero traffic regulation - no signs, no lights, no speed limits, no rules, just every man and woman for themselves... So no, it has zip to do with traffic regs. but PP's anology has some merit. Fields with no regulation get away with quite a lot. Bounty hunters come to mind. OTOH, there isn't a statistical showing of need here, all they can point to is a bunch of what ifs...

    The main question I have after reading this hysterical account is WHY IN THE HECK anybody would talk to WaPo (at least not a known reporter like Jackman) ??? Would they do an interview with the Brady Campaign?

    Actually, they just did for all practical purposes.
     
  6. El Tejon

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    Well, the antis are 30 years late. However, it appears that they will endeavor to make up for their delay.:uhoh:
     
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    There is a fundamental definitional difference between rules of the road and the type of regulation you are talking about.
     
  8. ACP230

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    The main stream press discovers THE BOOGIE MAN teaching classes at Thunder Ranch!

    Pardon me, if I don't get too worked up.

    And when I go to the range next week, I think I'll take a milk jug, some accurate .308ammo, and my Ruger VT.

    Booo!
     
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    So stupid its funny...

    They point to a government agent who screwed up, and say it is the self-regulated private industry that is bad. My 'Left-wing Propoganda Alert' is going haywire. Any common-sense thinking individual can see that it is being very well self-regulated, and there is no need to add any government interference to it.
     
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    Rags like the WP and the NYT are well known for casting everything in the slant they want. They are political ideologues. They write/publish stories to advance their cause. So, truth and objectivity have no place in their criteria for a story. Their aim (pardon the pun) is to disarm the people so they can more easily control/advance their agenda. Clearly, the 2nd Amendment is one of their biggest boggiemen. So, from our perspective, they may appear stupid. Don't believe it. They are cold and calculating in what they want to achieve.:scrutiny:
     
  11. Ohen Cepel

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    :banghead: Ok, let me get this.

    The libs want freedom of the press to the extreme (porno sites, pediphiles, prime time t.v. that's very questionable etc.)

    However, they are now concerned about what I know and that I may show someone else.

    When will the stupidity end:banghead:
     
  12. TexasRifleman

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    How dare those people participate in Free Enterprise and the American Capitalist system. They need to be stopped!
     
  13. CleverNickname

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    First the anti-gunners say only the police are trained sufficiently to use firearms, then they complain when people go out and get training. Seems a bit hypocritical to me, but then what else is new?
     
  14. Don Gwinn

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    Wait . . . so this stuff is not prohibited?

    And it's. . . it's not mandatory, either?

    Well, that can't be right.
     
  15. Standing Wolf

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    He doesn't want to give up his freedom: merely take it away from commoners. Typical leftist parasite.
     
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    No, it has to do with regulated versus unregulated behavior. Traffic is only one example of how a society need some regulations. There are many other examples. And yes, even firearms ownership and use should probably have some regulation. I know that offends some, but I prefer a functioning society over absolute anarchy, which is what the lack of any regulation gives.
     
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    The only regulation that I can at all condone is to disallow those that have proven that they are not trustworthy from possessing weapons. And I ain't talkin about an 18 year old that slept with his 16 year old girlfriend.

    Knowledge is power. They know this. If they keep you from attaining and passing on that knowledge that's that much less power you and those you would teach have.

    For some of them yes, for others it's irrational fear of the unknown that is used by the first group to forward an agenda. The second group can learn. The first group already likely knows but it doesn't fit their agenda which is to render the public completely subservient to the government. So they work to do away with it.
     
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    :eek: Oh no!!! How did that happen? Why doesn't the government do something about that????

    :banghead:
     
  19. KC&97TA

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    I'm all for regulation of these classes... I think propper assult weapon employment should be required to graduate high school, and M16 & AK47 assembly/disassembly and target shooting should start in Grade School.
     
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    Precisely. Commoners cannot be independent, let alone possess "dangerous skills". The monopoly on "dangerous" knowledge should be in the hands of somebody leftists can trust, e.g. a government controlled by them. What they always fail to see is that government is not some faceless machinery, but people that are certainly corruptible, ergo the nomenclature in the USSR. That is a lesson they keep taking but never learning.
     
  21. Thin Black Line

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    No comment necessary I guess...:rolleyes:
     
  22. Leatherneck

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    The dying mainstream media, of which the ComPost is a prime example, have nothing but alarmism to sell these days. What better example to scare the flock than unregulated citizens learning how best to use a scary gun?

    Here's an idea for you who think "some regulation is a better thing:" how about the industry sets up a voluntary code of conduct that member schools agree to observe? Why on earth would you call for more .gov regulation? What problem, exactly, is it that you think would be solved by regulation? :scrutiny:

    TC
     
  23. Maxwell

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    Eh... I dont see why government should dictate where I can go to learn something and who I can speak to, what I can read about a subject or what kinds of training I can undergo.
    I dont see much of a difference between joining the military, learning the arts of combat, then comming out and putting it to evil use VS going to a weekend warrior camp and learning the same kinds of stuff on my own dime.

    The only regulation I'd want to see is some oversight to make sure whats being taught are accurate military/police proceedure and not some gun-kata kung fu crap. The last thing you need are citizens thinking they can rush into a building and disarm mad gunmen with fancy footwork.
     
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    I'm quite sure that there are other regulations that you could support, but that is my point. I think everyone wants some type of regulation, because without regulation we cannot have a functioning society. The real question is how much regulation, and perhaps who should be responsible for promulgating the regulations.
     
  25. Phetro

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    Even when he specifically said otherwise, you're sure he didn't mean it? The arrogance of that statement blows my mind.

    Let me assure you, in no uncertain terms: you think wrong.

    An awful lot of people strongly disagree with that, particularly in regard to regulation of inalienable, constitutionally-guaranteed rights like that of keeping and bearing arms, but also in regard to possessing and sharing knowledge. In a very few things, we do need a very small amount of regulation. It went far past that point over a hundred years ago. Our society is functioning perfectly (with the exception of rampant government control and socialism), yet the industry of combat training is unregulated. But...you said...that um...would not be possible. :neener: I know you will say you meant regulation in general, but if so, why mention that in this discussion, where the sole issue at hand is the regulation of combat training?

    That's two real questions, actually. But here are the real answers:

    1. Much, much less than we have now-- government regulation has broken, rather than fixed, everything it has touched so far, while trampling an unbelieveable number of rights to an egregious degree in the process.

    2. No one!
     
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