(WP) "Schools Teach the Hard-Edged Lessons of Combat" (duplicate threads merged)

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  1. hillbilly

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    An ABC news story with sectional critical of teaching women to shoot.

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Moms/story?id=1743105&page=2

    But not everyone is convinced encouraging women to carry a gun is a good idea. According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, it's at least 20 times more likely that you'll use your weapon to shoot someone in your home rather than using it to protect yourself from an intruder.

    "If you bring a gun into the home, it increases the risk of homicide by three," said Becca Knox of the Brady Campaign. "If you decide that's the method of self-defense you're going to choose, you better be prepared to deal with the consequences."

    John Blaschke says all parents need to lock up their guns like Fort Knox. His daughter Darby Nelson is already a pro at shooting at just 11 years old.

    "Every time you pull that trigger you feel that rush," she said.

    She's just what the gun industry is hoping will represent the next generation of pistol-packing women.



    Even bigger horror....teaching kids to kill by taking them hunting.

    http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/let-hunt-tx-21aug03.html
     
  2. hillbilly

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    One last piece because it's late and I'm tired.

    Horror of horrors!!!!!!!!! Military Training in SCHOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!


    Copyright 2000 The Hearst Corporation
    The Times Union (Albany, NY)

    May 20, 2000, Saturday, ONE STAR EDITION

    SECTION: MAIN, Pg. A6

    LENGTH: 194 words

    HEADLINE: Question cost, sense of JROTC in school

    BYLINE: DOROTHY S. RICHARDS Delmar

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    To transform violence we must see the link between local and global peace-making. The proliferation of guns in our society is a wake-up call to the unbridled weapons trade by our country's manufacturers and the almost done deal of a new round of nuclear arms race globally.

    The Albany School Board is considering the establishment of a Marine Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps program at Albany High School. The organization, Veterans For Peace, has spoken against it.

    With the level of violence on TV, video games, music, etc. increasingly surrounding our youth, I am against weapons and a military mind-set in our schools. We should be educating our youth in the tools of dispute resolution and alternatives to violence as well as the costs of war in its many dimensions.

    Programs, such as the Peace Camp offered this summer by the Quakers at their Meeting House on Madison Avenue, are open to the public for five half days for children in kindergarten through eighth grade. These programs are efforts in the right direction.

    I hope the citizens of Albany will demand accountability and question the cost and sense of JROTC for our children.

    LOAD-DATE: May 23, 2000
     
  3. nplant

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    Sure is... I missed the first one.

    Mods, please close this thread. Sorry!
     
  4. pangris

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    Sent via the WP e-mail - who wants to be I never see a reply?

    Mr. Fahrenthold,

    After reading your article on firearms training schools, I am nothing less than amazed.

    When distilled, your article basically advocates the regulation of knowledge with regard to defending yourself.

    As a resident of New Orleans, I was mugged years ago at gunpoint. I didn't decide that guns were bad, I decided that I needed to learn to defend myself.

    Thunder Ranch teaches avoidance, and most of the class is geared toward awareness. Outside the lecture, all training is done in the context that a situation has reached a point that you can't escape and you are forced to defend yourself.

    About a year ago, I was *almost* mugged again. I was able to escape without ever drawing my legally concealed weapon using what I learned at Thunder Ranch.

    Several months ago, my family survived Katrina and was in situations beyond our control. Had it come to it - as it did for many others - I would have been able to competently defend my family with the knowledge gained.

    The tone of your article leads me to believe that my time is probably wasted here, but I would encourage you to actually attend a three day class at Thunder Ranch. You might come away with a very different point of view - you might even think more people should attend.

    If everyone attended Thunder Ranch, our world would be a much safer place. There are more good people in this world than bad. It has been shown time and time again that criminals do not commit as many crimes in an armed populace. While it may be contrary to your sensibilities, more armed citizens will continue to make the world a safer place.

    Paul
     
  5. Eleven Mike

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    Like the Citadel? Give me a break.

    Academic observers? They're not talking about people "in the business," so what academics are they talking about?
     
  6. LAK

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    Oh yes; wait til they start seeding the less-than-most-favored-status schools with "terrorists learning their trade". That'll stir up the public and get the fist pounding for "more legislation, regulation and oversight" of "schools".

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  7. El Tejon

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    Specialized, the media assault on shooting schools has been going on since API in '79. First one that I recall, when dinosaurs roamed the earf, was a MacNeil-Lehrer report on PBS (maybe early '80s).

    A couple of years ago there was a bill introduced in Tejas that would have banned shooting schools. It never got any traction.

    The anti-civil rights crowd will wait to roll in the blood of innocents before they push toward prohibiting gun schools. However, it is coming.
     
  8. confed sailor

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    now that just steams me, JROTC is a valuable asset to a high school, it provides trained personel for all means of ceremonies; color guards for sporting events, details for morning and evening colors, and many other ceremonial events. JROTC can change some students lives, turning them away from hooliganism, putting them on a course to a good job, and even college scholarships. They are shooting themselves in the foot.
     
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    bizarre

    Why would the post run this article TWICE?!

    Are they running out of stories to cover?

    As far as JROTC goes, the argument against it is that it "brainwashes impressionable minds into glorifying the militarization of society."
     
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    Personally, I'd list chemical engineers and research biologists a notch higher than nuclear scientists, but to each his own.


    As to some regulation being necessary, and everyone supporting some, I'd say that misses the mark.

    The article, and the left wing press in general on all topics, wants GOVERMENT REGULATION.

    Many if not most people are supportive of rules and thier enforcement.

    A common example: An intersection that's a 4 way stop. Everyone who drives has been taught the rules of what to do at one. Traffic flows reasonably smoothly without a cop there handing out tickets. Does it flow smoother with a traffic light? Usually. But in niether case is it "regulation" as is being spoken of here. Comparing that to regulation is like comparing the four rules of gun safety to a NICS background check.

    I assume the counterpoint brought up will be that drivers are "regulated" by requiring training exct. before they get a license. And that's true. But why assume that there would be mayhem if that wasn't so? There are a large number of drivers who have revoked licenses or no licenses. Are they responsible for more accidents (higher ratio)? Probably. But not to the extent that the streets are littered with corpses. And that even lumps those who simply don't have a license with those who had one but had it revoked after proving they cna't drive safely yet still drive anyway.
     
  11. marinr

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    Yeah, but look at how much damage is being caused by the unregulated newspaper industry. ;)
     
  12. Rob Pincus

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    K-Rom,

    The article didn't run twice.. when it was put online in early May it was a mistake.... that's why it wasn't on their website after that first day.

    The story actually ran yesterday in the Post. It hit the AP and was printed in dozens of local papers across the country also.. don't be surprised if you see it printed several times over the course of this week.

    Valhalla has received calls and emails on this same article from various papers from New Hampshire to Wyoming....

    -RJP
     
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  13. Jeff White

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    And some members wonder why there are certain things we don't discuss in the Strategies and Tactics forum. :uhoh:

    The media has attempted to get the public stirred up over private training for years. It's pretty much a non-issue to the general public. That doesn't mean that the industry isn't vulnerable.

    hillbilly said;
    California, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Conneticut, Massachussetts all have more antigun politicians and more restrictions then Illinois. Missouri with it's permit from the police to buy each and every handgun and Michigan with it's defacto handgun registration both have restrictions that are about equal to Illinois FOID card.

    Amazing that a member would post such misinformation in a thread where everyone is complaining about how a news organization ignores inconvenient facts to make a point :rolleyes: .

    Jeff
     
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    Why would someone who more than likely is interested in seeing the private ownership of firearms be prohibited be concerned about training? If he achieves his primary goal, the training question becomes moot.

    There's no level to which the anti's will not stoop.
     
  15. Old Fuff

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    Because next to firearms themselves they most fear the person who has the skill to use them.

    You can start with the public school establishment which is determined that their students will know absolutely nothing about firearms except to fear and loath them.

    Then the media, that thinks someone that can hit anything beyond 50 yards is a "skilled sniper."

    Is it not understandable that the sheep fear the lion because they have no recourse to defend themselves?
     
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    Old Fuff is correct.

    Taking it further - Tyranny wants a "dumbed-down" society - period!

    W-P is doing what Tyranny wants, and has always done, Indoctrinate the masses so Tyranny can best control the masses.

    This article dealt with training.

    History shows banning weapons, weakens the masses, then limit education, and sources to which one can educate the mind and body.

    Books, including Religious teachings, Political , Agriculture, Tools, Machinery...any genre to which the masses could think freely and educate themselves is a threat to Tyranny.

    Antipitas over at TFL shared Meth and all the legislative impositions could easily translate to Gun Control.

    W-P's article is Tyranny's puppet, Indoctrinate how *evil* training about and with firearms is...then any medium the masses could educate themselves- Internet, Video, Books, Magazines...in respect to training about and with firearms, or Political matters, or how to make tools, or...darn, that history bit again!

    Keep enemies close, keep tabs on them, and train the mind and body and pass it forward.

    THR, TFL and sister sites have the truth, and the cites to back it up. Fence Sitters amongst the masses have a Global Library in us, let us make our Posts count.

    Mentors passed forward to me - what passed to them - I continue to pass forward, and some now I passed forward to - are passing themselves.

    Tyranny hates that.
     
  17. Rob Pincus

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    NRA News Radio Program...

    I'll be a guest on the NRA radio program this evening (5:40pm, Eastern) to discuss this article.

    Sirius 144 or online at nranews.com


    -RJP
     
  18. Bubbles

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    There's another reason as well. Most folks, especially those whose parents didn't own guns, won't buy a gun unless they can get some training first. These people usually don't get politically active on RKBA issues until after they've bought their first firearm. So, the anti's may figure that reducing the number of gun owners overall will reduce the gun vote.

    Or - and I wouldn't put this past the anti's, though it's pretty sick - if even basic safety training is available then the number of injuries and deaths due to firearms accidents is likely to go up, which helps their overall gun-ban agenda.
     
  19. Tomcat1066

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    I'm all for regulation. SELF regulation. Perhaps an independent body that certifies quality training. God knows, there's only a handful of schools nearby that I could possibly make it to without blowing a couple of weeks vacation. I'd REALLY like to know they're worth the money.

    However, the idea of the government regulating training bothers the hell out of me. Especially since history has shown that they don't have MY best interests at heart anyways. They'd much rather the criminals from "disadvantaged" homes have THEIR interests protected :rolleyes:

    I'm going to get any training I can, as quickly as I can, because God only knows when I'll need it. The pansies at the Washington Post can just deal with the disappointment of not dissuading me from seeking training to become a responsible gun owner.

    Tom
     
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