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XCR initial review

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by PvtPyle, May 21, 2006.

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  1. PvtPyle

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    After shooting several hundred rounds thru the XCR, I have a basic review pre-paired. The long detailed one will be published very soon, hopefully in one of the trade magazines. In short, it is a pretty good weapon system.

    The good:

    • Coming to the XCR as a long time M4 shooter, the ergonomics are very good. The bolt release is in the right spot and the selector lever is in the familiar spot.
    • For such a pencil thin barrel, it is quite accurate. I have gotten the weapon zeroed and the barrel broken in with green tip, but I have not had a chance to bench the gun to see what kind of groups I can get at 100M and 200M.
    • The stock is very comfortable. But it won’t be with armor on, for big people or for short people. It has an average length of pull. A stock with an adjustable length of pull and cheek piece would make it much nicer.
    • Trigger pull is nice with a crisp break.
    • The way the recoil spring locks the two receivers is very clever.
    • The gas system keeps the receiver very clean inside.
    • The forward assist, while not original is very clever too.
    • The single point sling attachment point on the back of the receiver is nice.

    The bad:

    • The barrel is too thin for mounting a suppressor on. The Ops Inc can uses a sleeve at the back of the can to block and gasses and keep the suppressor from moving as it heats up. This allows the hole for the bullet to be smaller in diameter. The current barrel makes it impossible to use one on it because it steps down behind the flash hider to the pencil thin diameter. Maybe mounting a Tactical Innovations can on it will work, but I am skeptical that the results will be good adding that much weight on a barrel that thin.
    • The twist rate for LEO’s that use 55gr 5.56 ammo is wrong. For heavier rounds it is going to be fine, but many agencies are required to use the 55gr round. If RA made one for the LEO customer base in a quicker twist rate, it would make it more attractive to the LEO community.
    • The receiver does not rock open very far to clear a shell or wipe out the action. Another 15-20 degrees would make a HUGE difference.
    • The “peg” on the back of the recoil spring needs to be tapered on the bottom so that a soldier or officer could snap it shut in a hurry. As it is, it needs to be pushed in while you close the receiver.
    • The bolt design sucks in that when you pull the carrier out, the bolt just falls apart and away from the carrier. That means you need to have your hand ready to catch it when you extract the carrier group. It just is a pain in the butt and slow. In a rifle made for combat the way it works is not user or speed friendly.
    • There are a lot of brass shavings inside the receiver. I have not inspected the spent cases yet, but I bet based on the amount of brass shavings that it chews them up pretty good. Not good for re-loaders.
    • The YHM rear sight is ok, but not nearly as good as the Matech. I am going to swap the YHM sight for the Matech because it flips up, has windage and elevation adjustments.
    • There is no sling attachment point on the front of the rail.
    • The top of the stock needs to be raised to even with, or nearly even with the top of the receiver. This would aid in recoil management and give a better cheek weld when using the BUIS and optics that sit higher.
    • There needs to be a hammer block in the lower receiver. Just firing the weapon once with the receivers apart bashed up the lower pretty good.

    Other changes or options that the system needs besides the heavier barrel is a 20” barrel, 12” barrel and a different stock.

    More details are coming, as are pics.
     
  2. PaladinX13

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    Thanks, awaiting your pictures and further impressions!
     
  3. Don't Tread On Me

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    Sounds like a POS. I'll stick with my "dirty" AR-15. For some reason, it works, and works when dirty. The few dislikes/negatives mentioned are enough to make me totally turn away from that rifle.


    Thanks for the informative review of the XCR. It is very much appreciated. I think that the SCAR (if it ever becomes civvie) and the Sig 556 are far more interesting rifle platforms.
     
  4. Correia

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    I'm going to take this out on Saturday and beat it up at the carbine match.

    Moving to rifle forum.
     
  5. LoadAmmo

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    No intended disrespect to PvtPyle, but I seriously believe Robinson Armaments is running a propaganda campaign ended at stopping the "going to be released in two weeks" jokes.

    I've seen several posts on different gun forums where people have recently said, I OWN ONE! And yet only one, 1 person! has posted pictures.

    WHERE - ARE - THE - PICTURES ?

    If I just got a new rifle pictures would be posted immediately, digital cameras are under $100 these days. Most cell phones have cameras.

    Thus endeth my ranteth. I don't buy these have been released in more numbers than mabye 5 or 6.
     
  6. bcm3087

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    Thanks for the initial review. Looking forward to hearing more about accuracy (some pics of your groups would be nice), and especially reliability. I have put off buying two ARs and decided against the SIG 556 in favor of waiting for an XCR, so I hope it proves to be a good weapon. I've decided to wait for some of the magazines, etc. to do some real testing and reviewing before I buy one. We'll also see if Robinson has any bugs that need to be worked out and improved. Any updates you provide will be appreciated in the meantime. Thanks.
     
  7. Car Knocker

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    LoadAmmo,

    Who needs pictures? All you have to do is show up at the store and they'll let you fondle it! :neener:
     
  8. Correia

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    Loaded, we've had it up on the wall of our store now for a couple of weeks and even took it to the gunshow. So a few of these actually exist.

    As for how many have actually shipped? Beats the hell out of me. This one has a serial number under 100. What number he actually started on, I can't say. :p

    And yes, the 2 weeks thing for the last year and a half was just plain asinine, and is no way to communicate with your customers.
     
  9. LoadAmmo

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    You guys are stand up folks with those replies. :)

    I guess I'm just pissed because I want to see pics darn it! Give us some pics of the rifle in action w/Utah scenery ! :)
     
  10. iohk

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    I picked up mine a couple of weeks ago, serial number > 100. I'll try to post some pics a little later.
     
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    Here's a pic of the left side, the right side, the open receiver and a closeup of the open receiver.

    Since I've had to muck around in the guts of the rifle already, I must agree with PvtPyle that it would be nice if it opened up a few more degrees.

    I've only had it out to play once so far and I did not manage to finish a full mag in the time I had available due to a hardware issue. The Hammer Axis Retaining Pin, the top of which is shown in the closeup with a red arrow pointing at it, was either not installed properly at the factory (hopefully) or came out by its lonesome (let's hope not) while I was sighting in the irons. Regardless of how it came to be there, it ended up floating around in the bottom of the lower underneath the trigger mechanism. This kept the trigger from functioning properly on a periodic basis depending upon which side of the lower it happened to be hanging out in.

    The good news is that during the timeframe that the stray Retaining Pin wasn't actively messing up the works the rifle ran great and seemed to be extremely accurate with the iron sights.
     

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    lookin good! If only it didnt cost $1600
     
  13. bcm3087

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    iohk-

    Is that a Samson FFS front BUIS? How do you like it? I was planning on using that sight and an ARMS #40L-SP on my XCR (whenever I actually get one). Thanks.
     
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    Sig 556 is like 1200 list price, so robinson armaments gets close but no cigar award.

    1600 is a hell of a lot of money to pay for what is basically an FNC. If I had a full auto lower already, I might consider one. Is that their target market?
     
  15. iohk

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    bcm3087 -

    Yes, that's a Samson FFS front BUIS and I think it's great. I looked at the ARMS rear BUIS in the store before deciding to go with the GG&G. Then I got to use a buddy's ARMS at the range and realized I probably should have gone with the ARMS instead of the GG&G. Live and learn.

    As far as the cost of the XCR goes, for the last few years I've been collecting HK rifles so, in comparison, the XCR seems like a bargain ;)
     
  16. Gary G23

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    WHERE did you find the XCR? I have never seen anyone actually say where they could be found.
     
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    Gary G23 -

    I found mine at Jensen Arms in Colorado, although it's doubtful they have any at the moment. I don't know how many they got in but I'm fairly certain they were all gone within, literally, a day or two. I have to imagine they have a list going for their next allotment ...
     
  18. Coronach

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    I agree that the negatives are disappointing, and that they might well turn some people off. But POS? It sounds like it goes bang every time and puts metal on target. That hardly sounds like a POS to me.
    This is, of course, personal preference. I think a civie SCAR would be interesting. I'm not sure what the hoopla about the Sig 556 is, besides the Forbidden Fruit sex appeal. That, also, is just me.

    Pyle and/or Larry- what are the chances that some/any of these shortcomings will be addressed by Robarm in the future?

    Mike
     
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    SCAR prototypes I habdled were full of sharp edges and questionable ergonomics, but the overall design seemed sound.
     
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    iohk-

    Thanks for the response. Glad to hear that the Samson and ARMS are the way to go. Now I just need an XCR to put them on!
     
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    I still don't see what the big deal is about the XCR, Sig 556, or whatever the newest wonder rifle is. None of them do anything an AR-15 won't do. I guess, if you just want something else different than the other guy has then more power to you.

    When it comes to making a 5.56 black gun, technology has pretty much hit the wall. Barring some major technological breakthrough, they are more or less all the same.
     
  22. Coronach

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    I agree, to a point. The XCR really does not seem to do anything an AR cannot do, besides fold its stock (which the BTDT types say is not a big plus, anyway). It is, however, sort of a refined package; it is a little bit better in a lot of ways. How much better it is, and whether that is worth the price of admission, are the big questions.

    I'm hanging back to see if they are durable/reliable, if the company is going to support them, if they address the shortcomings, and if there will be after-market doodads for them.

    The rumors of an XCR-L in 7.62 NATO is enough to make me really pay attention, though.

    Mike
     
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    "I still don't see what the big deal is about the XCR, Sig 556, or whatever the newest wonder rifle is. None of them do anything an AR-15 won't do."

    GAS PISTON operating system (like the AK). Therefore more reliability. I know the way most of us use our rifles we can get 100% reliability out of an AR but operating in the desert is a different story.
     
  24. Coronach

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    The immediate reposte to that is that there are now plenty of gas-piston ARs out there, too. Again, this is nothing that an AR cannot do. The XCR seems to combine a lot of things that ARs could do, into one slick *cough*expensive*cough* package. It's like the designers took everything the AR has evolved into and built it into the basic package of the XCR.

    I really like the rifle (on paper); I'm just waiting to see if it is worth the loot.

    Mike
     
  25. PvtPyle

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    Actually it does. It allows you to change barrel length and twist in a matter of seconds for various missions, WITHOUT having to change out your optics or your accessories.

    That is it's biggest plus side. For the civilian market that may not be a big deal, or a deal at all. But for the military and LEO's it is a very nice feature to have.
     
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