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XD .45 acp...... COMPACT

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by english kanigit, Nov 9, 2006.

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  1. english kanigit

    english kanigit Member

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    Folks, folks, I kid you not. These guns are in the system!

    The range I work at just had a rep stop in with one for us to look at.

    Slide length: 4 inches. All the scuttlebutt I've heard said three inches but it's actually four. I've fondlized it. :neener:


    The grip is one inch shorter and the compact mags hold ten IIRC. I was too buisy mumbling gibberish and drooling to notice much else. :evil:

    The rep said the dealers will start getting them in one to three weeks.



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  2. english kanigit

    english kanigit Member

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    AND.....

    I almost forgot, the little EMP is simply beautiful to behold.

    Sleek, svelte, sexy.... Yeah.
    :cool:

    ek
     
  3. Technosavant

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    You say this, but post no pics.

    You are truly a cruel human being. :scrutiny:
     
  4. Technosavant

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    Never mind... SA has it on the front page of its website.

    You're redeemed. :p
     
  5. RonC

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    I love the 5" barrel 1911 .45

    but I can't get excited about a short barrel .45.

    AT 850 -900 feet per second, the 45 is a proven round, but it will move a lot slower, and give a lot less energy from a short barrel.

    If I am mistaken in my thinking, I will be happy to be corrected.

    Ron
     
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    I agree with you about the 5" barrel, especially in the 1911 pistols. But I haven't experienced any energy bleed-off with my Colt Commander or my Glock 30 vs. the full-size version of those pistols. At least not in terms of felt recoil. Never read any ballistic reports qualified by barrel length either.
     
  8. jlh26oo

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    Not correcting you, but unless you are talking about 1911's with anything other than conventional rifling, I don't think you're losing anything.

    Like thc said, even GLOCK 3.78" barrels suffer little to no loss vs 5" barrels because they take advantage of polygonal (specifically octagonal) rifling.

    If the xd45c also has conventional (edit: I mean polygonal) rifling, the velocities from a 4" polygonal rifled barrel will match a 5" conventional rifled 1911. I'll try to find some data. I know I've seen the G30's = 1911's in particular (probably not all) cartridges.
     
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  9. jlh26oo

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    Well I'm not sure = recoil means = velocity, but I think you are right about not losing any performance in your 30.
     
  10. jlh26oo

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    from gallery of guns/g36 and the gun zone/ao1911a1

    winchester 185 silver tips
    plygonal 3.78" 918 fps
    conventional 5" 909fps

    federal hydrashock 230gr
    3.78" poly 847fps
    5" conv. 852fps

    winchester ranger sxt 230gr (not +p)
    3.78 poly 848fps
    5" conv 819fps

    speer 230 gd
    3.78 poly 812 fps
    5" conv 811 fps


    Meets or beats- and that's only a 3.78" polygonal rifled barrel (glock 36)- you might get even better from a similar 4" in XD. Of course we won't know until they are chrono'd, but my point is the octagonal rifling makes a huge difference in the GLOCK at least. Or at the very least you can't just compare barrel length straight up for performance without considering type of rifling.
     
  11. Waywatcher

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    Are you sure the XD's have polygonal rifling? I thought my XD-9 had conventional rifling... :confused:
     
  12. jlh26oo

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    heres a couple more

    (The starfire is one of the few with which the 1911 5" has the advantage btw)


    PMC Starfire 230gr
    3.78" 794
    5" (conv) 841

    Fed 185gr jhp
    3.78 908
    5" conv 851

    Remington 185gr GS BJHP (+p ??)
    3.78 1052
    1911 1016


    I'm sure when you start getting much lighter than 185 though, the 1911 has a significant advantage. I assume you are referring to the heavy bullets Ron, with the velocity rance you mentioned.

    Man. Considering those stats, I really need a 30 or a 36! Or an xd45 compact ftm!
     
  13. jlh26oo

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    CHekcing. I HOPE so. If not, that makes an XD-glock subcompact choice EASY for me, re: ron's concern.
     
  14. jlh26oo

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    Nope no polygonal in XD.


    WOW. Well in that case, all the above =/> velocities would only apply to GLOCK subcompacts. Sorry to have wasted all that time and data on an irrelvant tangent in your thread english.

    And not to bash conventional rifling in a compact, it has its advantages too (lead reloads, maybe accuracy). Just not for me. LOL I compared apples and oranges in your pear thread.
     
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    Wow! Thank you for that valuable data, jlh2600!

    I'll have to copy and save that information. Good stuff.

    I had a Glock G36, but had worried about the velocity issue. Also, the Glock didn't point naturally for me. Looking at the data, the velocity doesn't seem to be a problem at all.

    Back on topic: I love the XD series and have an XD 40 and an aftermarket 9 mm barrel for just fun shooting. I've looked at the XD compacts and the XD 45. The XD 45 is very tempting, given my comfort and success with the XD 40, but the compacts are considerably more chunky in size than my Kahr MK 9.

    Thanks,
    Ron
     
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    The thing about the XD45C that really suprised me is that with the compact mag in I can actually get my whole hand on the grip. Now I've got farely big paws but this is a nice revelation.

    Now if I had gotten to work 30 minutes sooner I could have shot the blasted thing... :banghead:

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    Sonofa... As soon as I decide to have Bowie Tactical Concepts chop the grip down on a 9mm SA produces one in .45. DAMNIT! I've got some thinking to do... But I really wish they'd bring back the "Compact" 1911's.
     
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    The alleged XD45 Compact is a XD45 Service with the grip chopped. Simple dremel engineering.

    Some of the guys at XD Talk have been doing this for months.

    I already have a XD45 Service. This doesn't do much for me.

    XD45's have fully supported chambers and conventional rifling.

    ZM
     
  19. jlh26oo

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    That is good news. It doesn't require the extended mag? You can get your pinky on actual grip FRAME? This is one of the design flaws of the 36 imo. Instead of just making the grip come all the way down to the bottom of the mag, they design it so that you are applying direct grip pressure to the mag itself. Much prefer to grip actual GRIP.

    Hell, on the velocity issue- 4" polygonal or no, I probably wouldn't have a problem with. There are alot of conventionally rifled THREE INCH 1911's out there people are carrying. Apparently those 230gr bullets are still expanding in the mid to high 700fps range.
     
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    Not necessarily true, just because people are carrying them doesn't mean they actually work as the bullet was designed.

    Steve
     
  21. jlh26oo

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    What?!

    :eek:

    Damn, I better quit carrying these .45acp bullets in my pocket. I thought by carrying them alone, that if I threw them hard enough at a BG- they'd expand.
     
  22. jlh26oo

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    -Charles E. Petty, American Handgunner, Nov 2000

    Just one guys opinion. I PERSONALLY don't agree with it (I say even within a velocity window, > velocity = > expansion); but I could see why someone might be ok with a ~3" barrel in a .45acp.





    WOW gunnut- we have IDENTICAL post counts (444) at this very moment. DON'T f-it up by responding!
     
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  23. Ryder

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    Merry Christmas to me! :D

    You give up about 50 fps per inch. That bullet is still tooling along at 3 football fields per second out of a 4 inch barrel. No target will know the difference.
     
  24. Newton

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    Doesn't seem very radical, just a chopped grip.

    Minimal re-tooling costs but a lot of extra sales to the "must have it" brigade.

    That's some smart marketing, but they should have given it an "Tactical Uber Street Warrior" type of name, sounds better than "XD with a Dremelled grip".
     
  25. RonC

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    I don't know about the ammo you folks use, but my Americana Grand Poobah Super Expandable Depleted Uranium Whopper JHP 45 ACP rounds expand to 4'3" diameter and 0.0001 microns thick. It's a heck of a man stopper.:eek:

    Ron
     
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