Yay San Francisco!!! And it begins...

[El Rojo]

Yeah, my CCW instructor and the county sheriff issuer said that the permit is good state wide and only warned me about carrying out of state. And that is why I like having a CCW from Kern County. Let the liberals cry all they want, I am packing!

 

[JoeSF]

San Francisco is sayng that their state charter allows them to make special laws to deal with special situations. To avoid conflict with state law they are going ot allow transients to posess handguns within city limits, but not residents. (Thats what is supposed to have messed up the Feinstein law.)
If this vioaltion of the constituion were to be upheld why wouldn't it set a precedent for other communities and maybe other issues?
Maybe a conservative community that considers abortion murder for instance will argue that its residents can not receive abortions in the city limits. I wonder if liberals are anxious to deal with a Roe vs Wade challange in the supreme court?

 

[Strings]

Regarding cities passing misdeamenor laws (and enforcing them against those with "lesser means"): why couldn't a large number of Cali residents purposely push the issue, and then file a class-action suit? Maybe I'm just being ignorant here, but it seems to me the idea would have SOME merit...

 

[66gt350]

Thanks QuarterBoreGunner for the correction. That is what i was told both at the CCW class and the local gun shop. I guess it's time to find a new shop that have their facts straight!!

Thanks

 

[USAFNoDAk]

It has been my experience that Democrats pay no attention to the lessons of history. They think that every idea they have is new and untried...and will work as planned. It’s one of their great fallacies.

The reason for this is elitism. In their minds, history did not have TODAY'S liberals and Democrats to implement the ideas that they continually come up with. Just like people who continue to think communism is a workable society, despite the massive failure of the Soviet Union to create a utopia. Liberals just think that if THEY could be in charge, communism or socialism would be everything THEY promise it could be. Elitist fools are THEY, mostly. Legends in their own minds as well.

 

[QuarterBoreGunner]

schizrade- Ah...yeah, my application process was, shall we say, NOT the preferred method.

Fiero- I'll stipulate that you are correct in the caprice of city governments, small children and stray dogs... never know quite what they're going to do. But in my experience with SF LEOs, I’ve never endured a situation like 66gt350 described. Of course, I’ve never been made by LEO either, so there you go. Perhaps, SFs reputation as the far far far left, deepest pocket of blue in an already blue state, causes the anecdotal stories of gun store lore.

Yeah, it’s pretty weird here, I’ll grant you that, but it’s my home and I love it. Freaks and all it’s what I’ve known all my life and I think I’d be bored anywhere else. And if this bizarro law passes… I may have to begin that life of crime that the movies and TV make look so glamorous… though I was really hoping to be an International Jewel Thief™ I’d call myself the Pink Panther. What? Already been done? Darnit.

 

[Nightfall]

One way or another, this'll be interesting...

 

[R.H. Lee]

I wonder if a city could outlaw Democrats from residing or doing business within city limits.

 

[dartman]

Sharpie613
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"As soon as the lady and I can save up enough money to move, we are headed to Seattle. The taxation rates here are atrocious, and I don't like the idea of being a criminal for what's in my safe."
I don't know if Seattle is much better, but a little further east in the Snoqualmie Valley, things are a little more laid back. Why, I even know the names of every person on my street. And after living in a few places in Kali, this was a pleasent switch.
Plus we have a nice little range just down the road.

 

[Langenator]

While Seattle itself may be polically as blue as SF (I mean, they do send that McDermott freak to Congress every other year), state law pre-empts any local gun laws.

Good things can happen when the rest of the state gangs up on Seattle.

 

[LadySmith]

SAF Responds

SAF BLASTS PROPOSED SAN FRANCISCO
HANDGUN BAN – 'WE BEAT THAT IN 1982'
Calling it an "ill-considered return visit of anti-gun bigotry," the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) today blasted plans to put a handgun ban on the November 2005 ballot in San Francisco, California, reminding proponents of the measure that such a ban was declared illegal when first tried in 1982.

"This issue was decided by the California courts more than 22 years ago, and the gun ban extremists lost," recalled SAF founder Alan M. Gottlieb. "Why some city supervisors want to waste the time, and money, of voters to revisit an issue that was unanimously trounced by the State Court of Appeals makes no sense. Even if the ban were to pass, it will not hold up in court."

In late June 1982, then-Mayor Dianne Feinstein pushed through a handgun ban in San Francisco that lasted only three months before it was overturned by the California State Court of Appeals. Twenty days after the ban was enacted, SAF took Feinstein and the city to court, ultimately beating the ban on Oct. 30 of that year. The city appealed that decision to the California Supreme Court, which allowed the Appeals Court ruling to stand in January 1983.

SAF is already in contact with the San Francisco Chapter of the Pink Pistols, a gay gun rights group, which opposes the ban.

Tom Boyer, spokesman for the San Francisco Pink Pistols said, "It grieves me that our board of supervisors would sacrifice the basic human right of self defense, depriving those who are the least physically able to defend themselves, for political gain."

"It is incredible," Gottlieb added, "that in a city where the government has supposedly taken a lead in defending individual rights and freedoms, it is still considered acceptable to practice social bigotry, so long as gun owners are the victims. This may come as a shock to the moral inquisitors in San Francisco, but gun owners have civil rights, too, just like any other social group. Those civil rights are not up for grabs at the whims of the Board of Supervisors, or even the popular vote. We fought this battle once, and we're not afraid to fight it again."

 

[atek3]

I can't wait to see the Pink Pistols get fired up over this.
I'm not worried about the ban.

atek3

 

[wolf]

LA already has a "small" handgun ban in place and is working on a total ban..it would pass in a hearbeat here..special intrests run this city..and only the remaining money/power that oppose certain issues supported by the city council , which is made up of a former LAPD chief and the mayor who is very "anti" and others, mostly liberal & extream liberal..downplay any opposition to their will..with 500+ homicides last year they have alot of support for a total ban.

say it aint so wolf..say it cant happen here..

ok kids..wolf aint goin to lie to ya..but consider this..really

LA banned silly string

wolf

 

[55645]

Not only are handgun bans possible, they are getting fairly common in northern Illinois. It is illegal to own or possess a handgun in the towns of Morton Grove, Evanston and Oak Park. In Chicago, all handguns must be registered and no new registrations will be accepted after March 1978.

 

[Strings]

55645: no new registrations WILL be accepted after March '78? Dude... where's the time machine you're using?

 

[thorn726]

ok

now i see what all the talk is about-
well this is crazy-
First- already we have this problem of peeple gunnig down cops with
AK-47s, now criminals will HAVE to find these big guns. great.
i wonder will it pass, i think maybe , then struck down.

but for the people who are cursing Democrats, flushing SF down the toilet, etc.
HEY- give them the right to do what they want.
YEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAA-
you know what???????
we dont want you coming here shutting down our whorehouses (cough , i mean strip clubs. no i dont, i mean brothels. hehe)
and i dont think you want them or the thousands of BoYs or
the Drag queens or the rest of em.
with all these states and towns to live in, pick one that suits you nad be happy.
i fell its highly likely that most of the people suggesting death to hippies etc
go to church on sunday.
are you really supposed to hate on those you dont agree with?
or just leave them be and go your own way?

if those rubes want to toss their guns , they can.
rest assured, SF is not all of CA.

i dont like the idea either, but unfortunately i can see them passing this nonsense.
maybe i'll register in SF just to vote against it. not hard from here.
i am way more upset at the idea that much more powerful politicians continously
relate their right to bear arms with Hunting?!?!? insane.

the frustrating one is you guys who could carry in state and then one city you can't.
BUT= i am a night owl, i'm only moderately threatening white guy, and i walk around the tenderlion late at night. rather watch real life , its interesting.
SF is a very not dangerous city. you really have to look hard to find the areas people might even shoot at you, and the odds of being mugged = LOW
attacked for no reason = VERY low.
put the darn thing in your trunk and calm down, stop looking for trouble.
in 10 years of street crawling the closest i have come to being seeing a gun used is hearing stories, seeing small cal wounds over total nonsense between idiots who knew each other.

Heh - if you are a jewelery dealer or something, just carry a BIg gun i guess.

 

[Gray Peterson]

and i dont think you want them or the thousands of BoYs or
the Drag queens or the rest of em.

Excuse me, but I think you're forgetting something.

Not every gay man or lesbian is anti-gun. See the San Fran Pink Pistols? Guess who might actually file the lawsuit against the city?

So stop painting people with broad brushes, mmmkay?

 

[Don Gwinn]

Hunter, he make small joke-like object. . . . but that IS the law in Chicago.

When the ban was passed, it was feared that a ban would be struck down. So they phrased it as a registration law, then simply declared that no one can register a gun in Chicago. That continues to this day, but they did allow a short amnesty period in the '90's.

 

[Strings]

Don... I know. Almost got caught in the trap that is the Chicago area (thankfully, we moved out). I just had to giggle at the phrasing...

Of course, "small, joke type object" could be used to describe Little Dick, too, couldn't it? Granted, a very BAD joke, but still a joke...

Maybe the old man SHOULD have let mom beat the tar out of him...

 

[schizrade]

the frustrating one is you guys who could carry in state and then one city you can't.
BUT= i am a night owl, i'm only moderately threatening white guy, and i walk around the tenderlion late at night. rather watch real life , its interesting.
SF is a very not dangerous city. you really have to look hard to find the areas people might even shoot at you, and the odds of being mugged = LOW
attacked for no reason = VERY low.
put the darn thing in your trunk and calm down, stop looking for trouble.
in 10 years of street crawling the closest i have come to being seeing a gun used is hearing stories, seeing small cal wounds over total nonsense between idiots who knew each other.

Yet you live in Berkeley. Please. Tenderloin is full of junkies and prostitutes at night. Great way to ignore reality.

Try Mission (16th->Army St. and Mission St.-> Portrero), Excelsior, Ingleside, Hunters Point, Sunnydale/Visitacion Valley. Try living and working around 24th and Capp or coming home late at night past Sunnydale Housing projects. Ever seen a broad daylight ass beating with a baseball bat? Ever seen a guy pull a gun on a chick for not giving him her phone number? Ever watched a group of 5-10 men pull another off of a Street Car and drag him into the nearest house? Ever been attacked by a straight-up junkie for some money or your coffee? Ever had a Cop not care and 911 put you on hold when there is somebody outside of your door beating on it? Ever seen a city bus shot full of holes from 16 year old kids? I have lived here 2.5 years and I have experienced and seen all of this. That means it is common enough if you live and work or even pass through the areas listed above that you will see and experience these things too.

Hard to get shot? Sure. Not a lot of shootings here compared to Oakland.

Hard to get beat and robbed? No way.

 

[thorn726]

Excuse me, but I think you're forgetting something.

Not every gay man or lesbian is anti-gun. See the San Fran Pink Pistols? Guess who might actually file the lawsuit against the city?

no no you didnt get that correctly.

what i was saying is that we have some crazy weird people here who make crazy laws, that most of the people complaining about Californians wouldnt want to be here, and we don't want to go there, so why worry about what one crazy city does.
SF is NOT CA in general . not even close. THere are some very different people here.

i am not suggesting gays are pro gun or not, simply that the people complaining about SF laws would probably FREAK if we had the Folsom street fair in their town.
things are different here.
REality- SF is full of gUn lovers, they just don't vote and arentlegally allowed to own guns.
i say it again, the whole thing is senseless. pistols are just barely the weapon of choice on the street.

 

[thorn726]

Hard to get shot? Sure. Not a lot of shootings here compared to Oakland.

Hard to get beat and robbed? No way.

oh no man, i hear you there, and there are beatings handed out in oakland as well, often for the crime of being too light. happens all the time
and i definitely stay on guard in the mission. my main point was did i ever need to defend myself with a GUN in ELEVEN years of living around here,
NO. , most of it on or very near the streets of SF.
have i seen some of the things you mention=
sure, not as bad, but yes.
would you pulling out a .357 helped any of these scenes you describe?
very questionable .

BUT= these are all drug related idiots pummeling each other, not attacking the general public, outside of the bus incident.
and what good does your pistol do in that situation ? none.
sounds like a job for a RPG

the point i was making there was more that unless you are one of these idiots shooting dope, or are totally not paying attetion, its pretty easy to avoid being more than a bystander.
i know, you guys carry just in case of the super sick nut, i hear you.

really schiz i dont know how your post is related to the issue of pistols in SF

 

[bobby68]

Why should the nuts in San Francisco be left alone to destroy that city? it is a beautiful city and i bet there are a lot of folks who live there who do not like to see this political nonsense. What about their inalienable rights?

And worse, political activists don't just live and let live. they have to shove that garbage onto their neighbors too and we all know this. Look at Feinstein... U.S. Senator whose nonsense affects the whole country... I did not vote for her, or Boxer... who let them in the driver's seat? That's right, it's those clowns in San Francisco.

And the example where a girl refused to give her phone number only to have a gun pulled on her.. was she a doper? what if that were your daughter, or your wife?

I find it hard to take you seriously when you downplay the serious danger if being thrown to these wolves and being forced to break the law to protect yourself.