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Yet another Gun Show rant

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 444, Oct 10, 2004.

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  1. 444

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    I went to a gun show today and as I was walking down an isle I noticed an exhbitor stroll up behind me and begin talking to the exhibitor in front of me. He started whining: This show is a joke. I wonder how many people are losing money on this show.................... I know a couple guys that work the gunshow circuit and all I ever hear from them is whining.
    I am always tempted to ask them: Imagine what would happen if you had good stuff to sell. Instead of these junk, no name nylon and velcro holsters and mag pouches you had stuff from Milt Sparks, or Mitch Rosen, or maybe even Safariland or Bianchi. What if instead of these no name chinese binoculars, and spotting scopes you had Leoupold, Kowa, or Zeiss ? What if instead of this Russian night vision junk you had gear that actually works ? What if you stopped trying to sell M1s for $1500 when I can buy one from the CMP for $500 ? What if, instead of these Russian and Chinese red dots you had Aimpoints or Eotechs ? What if you had name brand, quality knives instead of the same stuff I can buy on Revolution Street in Tijuna ? What if most of the exhibitors wern't out to rip people off ? Imagine if you guys paid attention to what people were talking about on-line and what the hot items being written about in the gun magazines and offered that stuff for sale instead of this hillbilly flea market BS you have out here today ?

    I walked around this show, covered every table, and the only thing I was even remotely interested in was a bag of .30 cleaning patches. Which I bought. I didn't see anything there that I thought was at a decent price.
    Wait, I take that back. One guy did have a box of used, actual GI M14 magazines, but by that time I was already disgusted and was on my way out the door. This was not to be confused with the hundreds of M14 magazines I saw that people were trying to pass off as USGI: they were marked "military issue" they just didn't say what military.
     
  2. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

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    Would it still be a gun show?
     
  3. SunBear

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    That pretty much covered it. Nothing to add.. :evil: :neener:
     
  4. joab

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    Why do you even bother to go to these shows?

    I'm not talking to you so much as repeating what I say to myself every three months when the show comes to Orlando

    Where I see the same guys selling the same crap at the same price as they do at their shops every other day of the week

    And by the way the jerky sucks
     
  5. Wildalaska

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    Every time a Gun Show comes up, someone walks into the shop and brightly says "hey you guys gettin a table at the gun show?"....

    My usual response is "no we are real gun dealers"....

    One guy I said that to left in a huff becasue I was not only being my usual arrogant self, but asking too much for a $329 Remington 700...., (about 98% condition)

    He came back in the next week with a rusty Remington 700 he bought at the show for $250 WITH A BULGED BARREL....

    "How much to fix it"
    "Oh"

    :)

    The best is when I see a ratty gun at a pawnshop (like rusty 30-30s with more scope holes drilled iin em than holes in swiss cheese), then see the same one on a Gun Show "dealers" table for $100 more bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahah


    WildwishyouguyscouldseeitAlaska
     
  6. Redlg155

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    I normally detest the high prices at gun shows. What gets me is that the shows that make a circuit all adjust their prices depending on what town they are in. In Panama City a Glock will cost you $500. Same show and dealers in Ft Walton and the price comes down to an average of $450.

    I understand the principle of changing the prices, but what gets me is that most aren't willing to be a little flexible on the prices. Why not make a sale now at $50 less rather than waiting for the next show to drop your prices. Even then you aren't guranteed the sale.

    I go for the private sales. Last show I picked up a Russian Tula manufactured SKS in beatiful condition that had been rearsenaled for $150 out the door. I also go to sell since I will get way more than any dealer would offer me on a trade.

    Good Shooting
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  7. 444

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    "Why do you even bother to go to these shows?"

    Well, a couple reasons: #1 I see a lot of people I know. Many of them, I never see anywhere else. #2 You never know what you are going to see there. There arn't a whole lot of things I am really dying to own. But, there are usually a couple items I keep my eyes open for. One of these items, I found at a gun show a couple years ago. I had been casually looking for a S&W Model 14 with an 8 3/8" barrel. I wasn't looking real hard, but I had called a few people in Gunlist, but never did connect with one. One day, I walked into the gun show and on like the second table from the door, there was one NIB. #3 Impulse buys. This is usually stuff like books and other relatively cheap trinkets.
    It is rare when I walk through a show and don't see anything even remotely interesting but I came close today.
     
  8. eatatjoes

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    your show had russian red dots? what kind? any of the new kobras? how much?

    p.s. what's wrong with russian red dots?
     
  9. Kilroy

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    Gun show finds...

    My dad finds a brass casing in a junk box, picks it up for $3. We learn at the same show that it is one of less then a dozen known in the US and worth about $500.

    I picked up a German Field Police Gorget, original and correct as revealed by a vacation to Germany, and it was worth about $750, ten times what I paid for it.
     
  10. Tharg

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    heheh

    you go cause
    A) there are a lot of guns there, overpriced or not - thats why =)
    B) you just MIGHT ya never KNOW... <grin>
    C) its an excuse to get out of the house and ... well... lookit more guns!

    hehehe

    J/Tharg!

    ps - if they are overcharging for "junk" what makes one think they won't overcharge for good stuff? =)
     
  11. Zeke Menuar

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    I attend two or three junk...opps....gun shows a year. Saturday I went to the Collectors West junk show in Canby. As usual most of the stuff was way overpriced.

    I did however make my first ever purchase of a gun at a gun show. A small 01 dealer had a Ishapore 2A on his rack. The price looked too good to be true only, $140. From what I have seen in the last few months a bad Ishy 2A goes for $200 or more. I looked it over VERY carefully and bought it for $125 background check included. Gun is in great shape. It has been restocked. All the metal work has matching numbers and most of the finish is intact.
    Pretty good score for a junk(did I say that again?) gun show. That was the only real deal I saw there and I went over every gun and every table.

    And yes, it gets me out of the house.

    ZM
     
  12. Hal

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    To oogle the blond @ the one dealer table..

    *shrug* so I'm shallow - so what. $5 admission to oogle beats dropping $45 on a meal @ Texas Longhorn <-- another good oogle spot.

    Once in a while I actually buy something too.



    444
    Nah - they'd never think of getting anything that they could sell @ those shows. It's all some kind of weird "Musical Tables - junk game". You see the same tired old crap show after show,,,and I mean EXACTLY the same crap. The only thing that ever changes is the table the crap is on. All the crap just floats around the show.
    I think what they do is see who gets stuck with what at the end of the show, and give away prizes for the ones that manage to off load stuff and charge the ones that get stuck with some stuff. ..... .. then the next week, @ a different location,,they do it all over again.
    ;)
     
  13. Roon

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    I was talking to a dealer tonight about the local Charlotte Gun Show, run by C&E. He was bitching because they have one every two months, which is just way too frequent to bring out the folks. (He said he had heard that the Chantilly VA show held this same weekend was not very good this year, attendance down, etc.)

    I rarely expect to find any deals, but I can always count on Georgia Arms being there, and I like their stuff for defensive loads (Gold Dots at a great price), and they make some good plinking stuff in things like .38 special.

    However it can bring a bunch of local dealers to one place, and sometimes they have some good deals, with true "show specials". This show, I also found a BHP, lightly used, for $475, and which I agonized about in another thread. I passed, and should have bought it. And I also found a great deal on 7.62x54r Hungarian - I think, this is being battered around in another thread.

    Then again, where can you be surrounded by a bunch of friggin' gunnuts, unabashed and happy!? :D
     
  14. Majic

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    When quality stuff is put on the tables then you hear the whines of everything being overpriced. That your dealer has they same thing cheaper. Well the seller has to make the money for the item, cover the table cost, travel, food, and lodging. So they offer a volume of inexpensive items for the cheap shoppers. If they have a table full of $150 custom holsters that you won't have to wait 3 to 6 months for the maker to build you one next to a table full of $30 nylon holsters who do you think will do the most business?

    I go for a nice day to spend with both old and new friends. Sometimes I pick up supplies and always look for deals. For the low admission prices we pay around here it's about the cheapest entertainment you can find that lasts all day.
     
  15. Tamara

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    They'd go broke, 444, because the business they'd get from me and you wouldn't be enough to outweight the 260,000,000 cheapskates in this fair nation of ours.

    An Aimpoint ML2 will sit growing cobwebs on your table, 'cuz Billy-Bob kin pick him up a red dot "just like it" for $29.99 at Wally World. Whatchoo think he is? Stoopid?

    I'd like to work in a gun store with showcase after showcase of Wilsons and Baers, yet somehow the Bersas and Hi-Points sell better. Do you have any idea how hard it is to convince your average customer that their new Kimber is worth a Galco or Bianchi (never mind Sparks or Rosen) holster when them there Nylon ones are so much cheaper?

    (All you poor folks that can't find nothin' to buy at the gun shows! Y'all need to look harder! :D In the last two shows I went to, I scored a S&W 547 3" round butt with not so much as a drag line on the cylinder, a Chilean Mauser M1895 carbine w/bayonet, a nice flip-up BUIS for my M4gery, a Badger Tac-Latch, some Norma 6.5x50 Jap (finally!), some Georgia Arms .44-40 and .38 Super and .303 Brit (I've made a point to buy at least one bag of ammo from them every show for ten years, whether I needed it or not; they're good people). Didn't get nothin' free though. Bummer.)
     
  16. feedthehogs

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    Most of the people selling at gun shows don't care one way or another that they sell guns.

    They look at it as an item that will turn the most profit.
    If they thought they could sell widgets and turn the same margin, they would be at the widget shows.

    The sad thing is they do it because a lot of gun owners or potential gun owners are shall we say, intellectually challanged.
     
  17. Okiecruffler

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    I go for the dance.

    For instance, this weekend, the first table I stopped at had a .308 Savage Striker with a Bushnell 2-6X scope marked at $300. I had been considering one, but in .243 or 22-250, so I walked on. But that $300 price tag stuck in my mind. So after I had seen everything else I went back to take a second look. I've already decided that it's coming home with me, even at $300, but you just gotta dance. I'm looking it over, remarking on what a nice piece it was, what a fair price, too bad I had no use for a .308... The dance had begun. So the guy says he'll have to check to see what he has in it, and pulls a notebook from under the table and starts to look intensely at one of the pages. My wife is at the other side of the table eyeing a Colt revolver , and I catch her signing to me, "Blank page" (ASL comes in handy sometimes). So he's danced before too. So he tells me he could let it go for $275 if he had too, but he's taking a beating. So I start talking about how I don't even have dies for it, but I thought I saw some at another table for $15, but as high as I can go would be $260. He takes another hard look at his blank page and says, "Okay, you look like a nice enough fella. $260 will do it."

    What could be more fun...
     
  18. Smurfslayer

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    It's like shopping for groceries...

    You have to know what a bargain really is ! I know it's a novel concept, but a little homework goes a long way. For example, if you find several Uber 2000 pistols on Gunbroker for $550, you can reasonably conclude that a dealer can obtain one with sufficient profit margin for roughly the same price.

    Another thing: Reloading components... Hazmat & other shipping fees absolutely KILL my cost effectiveness. I went to the Chantilly show, and saved over 200 on shipping charges...

    ok... it was a big order.

    I also found a USP 45 LEM .... new... + 2 standard caps for 649 AND he gave me a decent trade...
     
  19. berettaman

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    There are real deals at gun shows.The only problem is that they are all bought up before the public enters the show.I've now revealed the secret to the gun show and must go into hiding.I went to help a guy to set up a display of Military vehicles.During the set up phase all the dealers walk the tables and wheel and deal for the reasonably priced items.
    The gun show is a mans answer to a womens "I'm going shopping":what:
     
  20. ALS

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    I think it depends on the show and location. The Big show in Pittsburgh is just that. Like others have said so much over priced merchandise and plenty of scrap. I went to a small show in Altoona and walked out spending over $500 on things I really needed and the local gun shops didn't carry. I went to a Farm Complex show outside of Cleveland and scored 10 very clean used HK-91 aluminum magazines for $9.95 each. Also scored on a number of used Colt Green follower AR 20 rounder mags for $12 each. I couldn't believe how cheap everything was compared to Pittsburgh's show. BTW those mags were running $50 for the HK and $30 for the AR at the Pittsburgh show before the AWB expired.
     
  21. Mornard

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    I agree with you completely, except...

    I'm at the Gunshow last weekend, bitching as usual to my friend who's a dealer, about how this is the last damn show I'm coming to, cause I'm sick of all the dealers there who have such high price tags you don't even want to pick up the gun to look at it, everyone has the same stuff, all of it is crap, people are dumb, etc... and my friend says - "you say that every show..."

    So as I leave, I run into a very nicely-done Enfield (1917) sporter in 35 Whelan, 23 in. bbl, scope, etc. The whole package (which I"ve wanted for years) for $250. Dammit! Now that I've bought that, I've gotta keep going back, to see what other goodies I may run into...
     
  22. Gabby Hayes

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    So I can buy machine guns and AK-47s and watch all the terrorists? :D

    On the other hand, if you don't particularly care to fill out paperwork telling the govenment what kind of toys you have, or begging for permission to own them, gun shows are a good place to shop. Not that I would ever do anything like that, mind you. I go mainly for the lousy burgers and "classic" french fries cooked in "ancient grease."
     
  23. Cosmoline

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    I stopped going to these ages ago. Around here the shows are filled with a mix angry vendors annoyed that you're even looking at their things, completely unwilling to help, nice guys selling overpriced garbage, and the gun stores bringing all the junk they can't sell at the shop to the show. And I recall one instance where I was going to buy a nice looking Brazilian Mauser off a fellow but he absolutely refused to let me look at the bore befoe putting cash down. I walked.

    Anyway, the good gun show is online now, 24/7, at the auction sites.
     
  24. BJPARKER

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    hit and miss

    When nothings going on, in the the middle of winter or early spring, going to a Gun Show is cheap recreation. They're hit and miss and I don't really expect to find the deal of the century because ,as mentioned in another post, the dealers deal with each other before the show even opens. Sometimes I get bulk ammo for a great price, sometimes I can get a pair of nice grips. Also mentioned, you have to do your homework before you get there if you're looking for a specific item. I like garage sales in the summer, and second hand stores when I'm traveling, but I keep my expectations low. A comment I've heard from other dealers I know is "if a gun is a POS, I take it to a Gun show, so my regular customers at the shop don't get burned.":rolleyes:
     
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    Because you never know.:D

    I really go just to look at you guys.:neener:
     
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