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Yet another illegal "arsenal" found

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Dannyboy, Dec 25, 2003.

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  1. Dannyboy

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    http://www.pressofac.com/news/atlantic/122503WEAPONS.html

    Police uncover Fairfield weapons cache, man arrested
    By JOHANNA DUERR Staff Writer, (856) 794-5115

    FAIRFIELD TOWNSHIP - State Police arrested a local man after uncovering a hoard of illegal weapons - including several assault rifles - from two neighboring homes Tuesday on Cedarville-Fairton Road.

    Police arrested Frank Dagostino, 55, on illegal weapons charges after they searched the homes owned by his family. A tipster who knew Dagostino told police he had a stash of explosives and weapons, police said Wednesday.

    Police didn't find any explosives, although they found a canister containing 5 pounds of elemental liquid mercury.

    Among the weapons found were several shotguns, automatic handguns, revolvers, knives, swords and a large amount of ammunition. They found an Uzi semiautomatic, a 9mm Para with four large capacity magazines, a Tech 9 and several military rifles, police said.

    "The whole room was full of guns here," State Trooper Doug Adams said. "It was like an arsenal."

    Adams said they couldn't speculate on a purpose for owning the weapons, but they knew of no plans to use them. The weapons were found stashed throughout the two homes, which were in a rural area.

    Police said they also uncovered 74 grams of suspected marijuana and drug paraphernalia, and a wide variety of prescription medication.

    They arrested Dagostino without incident and filed no charges against others living in the houses. Dagostino was charged with unlawful possession of assault weapons, unlawful possession of a large capacity of ammunition magazines and unlawful possession of weapons, possession of a controlled, dangerous substance, and possession of CDS paraphernalia and growing marijuana. He is being held on $25,000 bail at the Cumberland County Jail, police said.

    State Trooper Brian Smith is investigating.

    To e-mail Johanna Duerr at The Press:

    jduerr@pressofac.com

    Large capacity of ammunition magazines? I'll have to remember that one. "Excuse me, do you have any large capacity of ammunition magazines for a Browning Hi Power pistol?" I don't think I need to go into the rest of the story because I'm pretty sure I feel the same as everyone else here about these so-called arsenals and anonymous tips:barf: .
     
  2. greyhound

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    Dannyboy, I agree.

    Seems like anyone that has "weapons" these days is up to no good (Though obviously there may be more to this case than that, of course).

    More and more, it seems **weapons ownership = either gangsta or psycho.**

    Thanks a lot, media.
     
  3. Mark Tyson

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    That "anonymous tipster" will get you every time.

    The association of mere weapon ownership with criminality has been the goal of that totalitarian anti-gun ninnies all along, and as this article demonstrates it is working.

    I don't really care about the marijuana either, although I think it's a bad habit - so's smoking, so's drinking, big deal.

    What was the liquid mercury for?
     
  4. Tamara

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    Sounds like my place, although I'd never be so declasse as to own a TEC-9 (well, lately at least :uhoh: ) and an Uzi just ain't my bag, baby. Other than that, pretty much all the accoutrement of a normal pad, if you ask me.

    What was the problem with these items? :confused:
     
  5. feedthehogs

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    Loose lips sink ships!

    Keep your mouth shut about what you own.
    Overcome the American way of bragging on your posessions.

    Trust no one including family members..........remember when someone might be facing jail time and they have some info on you....you're going down.

    That's my take on this story.
     
  6. Tamara

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    feedthehogs,

    Everybody knows I own a bunch of guns. I work in a gun store, for heaven's sake, so it wouldn't require much in the way of "anonymous tips" to figure that one out.

    More importantly, calling the cops to tell them that someone "has a bunch of guns" in Tennessee would be like calling the cops to report that someone has a dog and a pickup truck. ;)
     
  7. WilderBill

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    Tam has a good point.
    Maybe we should the report suspicious behavior of anyone we suspect of NOT owning a dog, a pickup and at least one gun. :scrutiny:
     
  8. Molon Labe

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    What did he possess that was illegal? I’m allowed to possess a pre-ban assault weapon, aren’t I? And there’s no limit to how many I can possess, right?

    An arsenal is where gun are manufactured. An armory is where gun are stored. (Most people have these definitions backwards.) So it would have been more correct to say, "It was like an armory.â€
     
  9. Tropical Z

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    That really P***** me off when LEO's act like that.What,only HE should have the right to own guns? Sounds like the guy had a perfectly normal gun collection to me.:banghead:
     
  10. EOD Guy

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    This was in New Jersey. The subjects there can't be trusted with such evil and criminal weapons of mass destruction.
     
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    Sounds more like Germany or France than America. And I thought that extra magazines were smart to own. Guess I have a lot to learn... :rolleyes:
     
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    And exactly who was Dagostino bothering (other than his relatives, who had to put up with all that stuff)? Probably it was one of them who ratted him out.

    But seriously, that mercury metal was a terrorist incident waiting to happen. He could have bonked a couple thousand people over the head with it. :rolleyes:

    Had Dagostino had the good sense to live in Free Pennsylvania, he could have had his "Tech-9," his military rifles, and his five pounds of mercury. (For the pot, he'd have had to move to Alaska or Holland.)

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  13. Tropical Z

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    The only thing i cant figure out is why own the mercury? I know its very toxic.:confused:
     
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    New Jersey = :barf:
     
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    Maybe he had lead buildup in all those barrels. Mercury is very effective in removing it.
     
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    Sounds like the Storm Troopers just acquired a batch of new weapons to steal. :cuss: I have alot of weapons and I'm sure the police would just love to get their hands on my collection. I sure hate to hear stories about police departments that would steal from the very people they are paid to protect. If I was that guy, I would file a motion to have that search warrant surpressed and thrown out. Since when do they issue VALID search warrants on the basis of a "tipster" ?:scrutiny:
     
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    Yep.
     
  18. Chris Rhines

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    Five pounds of Mercury? Piker. I've got THIRTY-FIVE POUNDS of MERCURY sitting in my basement. It's waiting for me to figure out something to do with it.

    Got some guns, too. No reefer, though. Does this mean that I should be expecting a visit from the Man?

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    It seems to me that if the ATF goes in your house you are going to be charged with felony SOMETHING. I wonder if they have ever stormed anyones house and actually left empty handed. I am pretty sure they always cook up some ridiculous "intent to build" or "constructible possession" charge to make it seem like they are really serving the best interests of the people through these Gestapo-esque raids.

    HE HAD A CHINESE SKS WITH BAYONET LUG ATTACHED!!! SEND IN THE STURMTRUPPEN!!!
     
  20. schadenfreude

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    In a short few years that article is going to read

    "Man arrested for felony possesion of the new "rapid loading" flint lock musket and he was in possesion of a Swiss made paramillitary knife that even has scissors and a magnifing glass. ATF agents were tipped off by the already-proven-guilty-persons own child because the young boy was taught in kindergarten that owning such "military" weapons means you are an enemy to the country."

    :rolleyes:
     
  21. P95Carry

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    Oh my - my heart sinks, even further in abject dismay.:(

    And yeah - this STOOPID and excessive use by media of ''arsenal'' ..... sheesh ... couple that with the now obligatory ''assault'' ...... and it's all there eh ....... recipe for more sheeple panic. They will no doubt be nodding heads, with furrowed brow, ''tut tut'' ..... trying to believe that such ''awful'' things are possessed and that such things can happen. As ever - the ''criminal'' link is well played on.

    That people can even OWN such NIGHTMARE things in fact, is so horrific. Sheesh ... ''go take another Prozac P95''.

    :mad: :banghead: :banghead:
     
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    Yeah lets just ignore the drugs, this "Patriot" was apparently just another gun owner being picked on...

    Y'all think the cops just raid homes based on tips? ya ever hear of something called a search warrant? Wanna bet they had one here? Wanna bet its likely that the info reported on this victim of the jackbooted thugs realted to drugs too..?

    Naw, lets just beleive what the newspaper wrote, unless of course its about some "patriot" murdering a cop....

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    If they had found nitric acid as well as the mercury the assumption would have been that he was going to make mercury fulminate with it. They were, after all, on a quest for explosives but found none. What is the bet that he will be charged for having "materials for the manufacture of explosives"; as they hold up that box of Tide detergent for the cameras?

    Regardless of the reason for his possession of the mercury -- he could use it for gold or silver recovery -- those who are trained to be suspicious of everything, and take it to its most evil extreme, will come up with a reason that will have as its core the most heinous of intent.

    http://www.gurpsmaster.de/tl5explosive.htm#fulminate
     
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    From what I have been able to ascertain from the story, the worst thing this guy did wrong was living in the state of New Jersey.
    There goes the house, car, guns, bank account, boat, trailer, and everything else he owns.
     
  25. WvaBill

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    To legally own a gun in New Jersey requires a series of background checks.

    A firearms purchaser's identification card can be applied for at a local police station. Those who obtain a card can purchase permitted rifles and shotguns.

    To purchase a handgun, an individual permit is needed for each gun. Those permits can be applied for at local police departments by those who already have a firearms purchaser's identification card.

    Approval from a Superior Court judge is needed to obtain a permit to carry a handgun. Those permits are extremely difficult to obtain, authorities said.

    Under New Jersey law, it's even possible to seek a permit to own an assault weapon. Court approval is needed.

    New Jersey Assault Weapons

    Some states aren't free.

    Edit to add: Without a dog, p/u truck, and/or guns, at least 2 of 3, you are looked at askance in these parts.
     
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