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Yet Another Pride Ejection, this time from Portland

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Gray Peterson, Jul 10, 2007.

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  1. Gray Peterson

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    So, all you were doing is walking around, or walking in the parade?:confused:

    If the event chairpersons were so concerned why not say something when you were there before you left for a bowl of soup and a sandwhich?
     
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    I ask the following questions only because I'm curious about what legal "leg" the event staff hoped to stand on:

    Was the event in a public place or private?

    If private, what does your state say about businesses or private venues restricting weapons?
     
  4. Henry Bowman

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    Are you even listening to yourself, Ms Wells?

    That "article" needs some serious proofreading, too.
     
  5. physics

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    umm... Isn't open carry ILLEGAL in Portland? My CCP class said that the Portland Metro area is off limits for open carry, as well as Beaverton and a few other suburbs. They said that even with a CCP you CANNOT open carry in Portland.
     
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    Cities do have authority to regulate open carry of firearms under ORS 166.173. However, ORS 166.173 also specifically exempts CHL holders from those restrictions.

     
  7. ArmedBear

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    Gay Pride parades are a bit strange, not because they exist, but because they seem to be somewhat counterproductive. They seem to celebrate bizarre behavior that has little or nothing to do with gay pride.

    My wife and I were sailing on a friend's boat during the local Christmas parade, and everyone else of the 15 or so people on the boat was a homosexual. They were all just plain normal. They were entrepeneurs, academics, business managers, IT/graphics people, same as about any crowd in San Diego by the harbor. People were dressed in the usual khaki/athletic/hiking wear hybrid that's commonplace here on a cold evening outside.

    Then they started talking about this year's Pride Parade and how it was so great. What struck me as odd, as a bit of an outsider, is that none of them seemed remotely like the image that Pride Parades project.

    What's my point? Pride Parades are not very authentic, despite an outward claim of authenticity. They're wacky theater.

    I have no problem with wacky theater, Burning Man, performance art, etc. Nude beaches are kinda fun. I find men playing hacky sack in neon g-strings kinda funny; I really don't know why some find it "threatening".

    Stepping back, though, one would think that a Pride Parade would make a calm, cool and collected statement about reality. "We are your neighbors, coworkers, supervisors. We are your customers and your vendors. We are human beings, just like you. We are not ashamed. Why should we be?" But it seems like Pride Parades, far from being Martin Luther King style marches for equal treatment and respect, are a celebration of UNreality.

    It's a bad mix, really. Have a LGBT wacky fest. Enjoy it. Don't allow guns, smoking, dogs, whatever you want not to allow. But trying to mix a wacky fest with a serious political statement creates cognitive dissonance, which in turn leads to irrational behavior like throwing out someone carrying -- a statement that I read as "armed gays don't get bashed", and one that I'd cheer in wholehearted support.

    Clearly, that cognitive dissonance exists in the organizers, though from my experience they are far from admitting it.
     
  8. taliv

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    yeah? try showing up to an NRA HP match wearing a shooting jacket and a banana-hammock
     
  9. ArmedBear

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    When did you do that?
     
  10. Henry Bowman

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    Lonnie, I take it this was not a parade, in any event.
     
  11. Gray Peterson

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    Henry.

    No. This was in the festival at Tom McCall Waterfront Park.

    Physics,

    If you have a CHL you're exempt from the City Public Carry ban. If you took a class, please PM me the information about the class so I can call/email them and correct them.

    As for this being a private event, the answer is no. Even though it is fenced off, it was merely for alcohol control.

    OrCon Law Blog on the Gathright case

    Essentially, the Gathright case threw the entire idea of "private events on public property" entirely out of the window. They cannot control it, which is why Portland repassed a "Prohibited Conduct at Permitted Events" law which removed the old statute which apparently allowed the permittees (including Pride Northwest) to eject. As a result of the Gathright case, and Portland's rewriting of the statute, they essentially mooted the earlier Starrett case which was ruled against gun owners.

    http://spinehog.tripod.com/blog/

    This blog details Gathright's multiple arrests for violations of the old prohibited conduct code, even though there was a federal court injunction and that injunction was brought to the police's attention. The Police Bureau did not care.

    However, with me they treated me with kid gloves and absolutely made no police contact when I open carried.. They knew my CHL was valid, had a BOLO out on me with my picture on it, and so on, so there was no reason to harass. I told the Portland City Attorney: Your officers @#$^ up, it's on camera and goes on Youtube. That wised them up real quick.
     
  12. fjolnirsson

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    Lonnie,
    check your email.
     
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