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You AND your family go to jail?? Is this for real?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by cpileri, Jun 28, 2005.

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  1. cpileri

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    Thats what Saddam used to do to his people.
     
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    It kind of pisses me off that we have to constantly fight tooth and nail just to get our government to not screw us and even then we only succeed in losing slower.
     
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    You know, I had to :rolleyes: and :scrutiny: a few times reading that. First off, self defense is an affirmative defense to any crime. If you live in a state that allows CCW, and you're not otherwise in violation of CCW rules, I have a hard time thinking how this could apply.

    Also, just spanking your kid or spitting on your spouse will only count as a "Lautenberg" offense if you've been convicted of DV in relation to such an action. Plus, spanking your kid can only count as DV if you're in a "spank-free zone" or other such blissninny area, and then you have to caught and convicted.

    It would have also been helpful if they'd included either a link to, or the entire text of the bill and any necessary references. That way we can all read it for ourselves and come to our own comclusions.
     
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    They need to keep pushing and push a little harder so we can get this thing on and over with.
     
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    From the text of HR 1279 (see here for full text) - emphasis mine
    Notwithstanding the recent Raich vs Gonzales decision a family stopping at a grocery store after church while armed, it would be stretch and a half to apply this statute (unless they were going to cross state lines after buying the food, but even then ... ).
     
  8. RomanKnight

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    Raich vs. Gonzales was a huge, giant, enormous overstretch -and became the law of the land. We've seen what "public use" means. What does "shall not be infriged" mean?
     
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    The real question is not so much how the law is written, (although that is important) but who would be enforcing it, and how? Think about such a law in the hands of a Bill Clinton. (Some might say Grorge Bush). I see problems in the way it has been drafted, in spite of what might have been good intentions. :uhoh:
     
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    The prison industry is a growth opportunity - nothing wrong with locking Dad, Mom and those brat kids up for 10 years. It'll teach them a lesson. I hope this passes and our freedom loving President signs it. Maybe those zealots who voted for him will wake up when they get enough of this stuff shoved down their throats.
     
  11. P95Carry

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    Maybe Ayn Rand was right all along - keep making more and more laws and then we all commit crimes almost just by breathing. Thus, the ''powers that be'' can succeed in arrest for almost anything.

    The 21st century is not off to a very encouraging beginning. :(
     
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    All animals are created equal, just some more equal than others

    Sigh...seems Orwell was not off the mark either Chris.

    Good thing I quit recognizing folks that are supposed to be my family,don't talk to much less associate with them- now if I just get the schools banned around here...
     
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    Hmmm, Animal farm - good corollary Steve. Was it Napoleon, the big bad pig? I forget - too long since reading but for sure - with Gov and ''us'' - indeed when it comes to equality - many are wanting to be way more equal than others.

    Power, greed - self agrandisment - old story but still present and kickin'.
     
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    I'm glad PA isn't a 1000 foot state. Though last I checked, they were trying to get a 1000 foot law passed. The phrasing of the law specifically excempts CCW holders.
     
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    RyanM:

    Federal law.

    The Feds passed it, SCOTUS threw it out, Congress said "no, we really want this, so we'll add the words 'interstate commerce,'" and it came back. So far, the new version hasn't been challenged, but Raich doesn't leave me with much hope.
     
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    Ryan - if they can't getcha with one law then be sure, another will be along to close loopholes. I think I am beginning to know how an apple feels in a cider press.

    I still have Ayn Rand in mind all the time - she is being proved right by (insidious) increments. And she wrote Atlas Shrugged IIRC back in 1957!!!!!!
     
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    Darn. :(
     
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    what is going on???

    All of a sudden, in the last short weeks an onslaught of egregious overreaching legislation comes down the pike/from scotus, wherever???

    I mean, overreaching has been happening incrementally for decades, but these last few: Everything is commerce and can be regulated, govt can steal your house at will, and now we can arrest your whole family- not just the alleged perp.

    My suspicious side has me thinking that they are either (or both):
    1. pushing hard to draw out the patriots, so as to be able to end the 'patriot menace' with finality; and/or
    2. they are on a timetable known only to them to meet some sort of totalitarian/uni-government world goals and decided to go full court press.

    These last few years (PA1&PA2, creation of DHS/TSa, etc) and now these last few weeks are enough to keep psychiatrists in the money treating patients with acute despondency issues.

    C-
     
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    Sign me up!!! :mad:
     
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    If the courts get out of control, it doesn't matter what any law says or means, they can stretch into whatever they want as long as the higher court supports them.
     
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    I think it means the government can't inconvenience the F., the B., and the I., right?
     
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    I and others have noted for a long time that there are no "conspiracy theories" where bigger government and global government are concerned. It's all just human nature in action. Sit back and watch and you can see it happeneing, if you aren't blinded by the conspiracy theory that everything is a conspiracy.

    And we've been saying the...alterations...have been increasingly swift as of late. Look at the advancements of government from the end of WWII to the early 60's. Then the social engineering and government spread thru the early 80's. Then compare the past 20 years to the previous 2 blocks of time. You can watch and predicat the changes and the increase of rate.

    Do I think there is actually a "timetable"? No. I believe it's just yet another aspect of human nature we're seeing: Impatience. The most powerful have a taste of just what they can have, the technology now exists to accomplish it, and so they want it now, just like every other consumer in our society. They'll worry about paying the cost after they have their new toys...just like the rest of us impatient humans do. We're just watching the greed of the wealthiest and most powerful one percent take another notch up, that's all.
     
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    LMAO! You mean you don't think they're out of control yet?
    If this isn't out of control, well.......I have no words.
     
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    Wouldn't going to church, stopping at a store next to a school to get a soda, spank your kid and spit on your husband while pulling a gun on a street gang in the parking lot just be one criminal episode.
     
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    It would seem that governmental authority grows exponentially instead of on a linear track.
     
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