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You ever have that one buddy?

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by ohihunter2014, Sep 25, 2019.

  1. ohihunter2014

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    I love my buddy to death as we have been friends since 16yo and now in our early 30's. He is into the survivalist stuff pretty hardcore and goes to all sorts of meetings for it. Well last year we found an absolute honey hole for squirrel hunting and maybe even deer hunting on public land. This land offers public primitive camping and generally gets pounded by deer hunters because its a large area and within an hour of several very large cities. Well... what does he go and do? He invites 15-20 people on Facebook from the last survival thing to camp and squirrel hunt the same area we squirrel hunt. Okay fine, but what burned me was he did it November 8th-10th and I explained that I used to deer hunt that part of the public lands and there is always 5-6 trucks up there camping and bow hunting the rut. His response was F em its public land, I will get there on Thursday and lay claim to the area. I said I don't think its wise to squirrel hunt and sling 22lr rounds through the air or even shotgun pellets for that matter while guys are trying to bow hunt and in tree stands. His response was pretty much oh well, its public land.

    I wasn't much for bow hunting for along time and remember squirrel hunting public and walked in on some guys bow hunting and man were they mad! Even private land about 5yrs ago we checked the farm and no one around so we let the squirrel dog go and here comes a bow hunter MF everyone. Says he parked inside the old barn that's why we didn't see his truck. I told my buddy the other night its not bright to bring outsiders into our honey hole I was planning on bow hunting or shooting while guys are deer hunting and he says oh, these guys are legit. I met them on the internet and the gathering. He invited me and my GF to camp too and hunt/fish but I am not going. I am also worried about him because some of these guys look like they are either missing a few screws or ex con's. No way I would primitive camp with guys I only met online or once in person or even hunt with them.
     
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  2. troy fairweather

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    Maybe pray for bad weather. Some of those survival guys can be more destructive then loggers. I get things can be fun but put most off these guys 10 miles from a road and only a pocket knife they would quite the first night. One thing about ny is the laws prevent them from doing it on stateland.

    I would use shotguns on public land, just something about all the 22s flying around I don't like. I did you say it was the worst year in history of ticks lol.
     
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  3. ohihunter2014

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    We aren't allowed to cut anything down on state land. I only use 22s when leaves are off and no one else is around and then I pick my shots. I try and wait for them to be on the ground when I do shoot. We went squirrel hunting last year and he packed a bag with a axes and a saw. I told him DO NOT cut anything around here. The GW and other state officers hunt this area hard and both live around here so they sneak around and watch people. I am sitting in the woods and 2hrs goes by and I hear whack! whack! whack! I text him asking if he is cutting a tree with his axe and was pretty much told mind my own. He does a lot of gear reviews so was doing a video. I do agree most couldn't spend one night without supplies but want to play Paul Bunyan on stuff.
     
  4. LoonWulf
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    hes gonna do, what he's gonna do. All you can do is go along with it or stay home, and personally I'd stay home.
     
  5. skeeterfogger

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    Best to find someone else. He most likely going to find himself in trouble and the kind I would not want to be a part of. You tried to discuss the situation and he said fem, he said it to you too. He obviously cares more about his other survivalist fanatics then you or even a good hunting place. He disrespected you and he will again.
     
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  6. readyeddy

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    It's not easy keeping childhood or high school friends, and you now know first hand why that is the case. I sincerely hope you are able to keep your long time friend, but don't let that friendship endanger yourself or your family.
     
  7. jmorris

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    Sounds like why I only hunt on my land or land my friends own. On my place you only get to come once if you have an “F em” attitude. If I know that before you are invited you don’t even get the first chance to make a last impression.
     
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  8. courtgreene

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    I don't like the attitude either, but the man does have a point. Was it tacky? Yes! But public land is public land. They are the public too. I think you should consider yourself lucky. You know they're going to be there. You can adjust your plans. Think of the rest of the public, who will plan their hunts and be surprised by the hoard that has taken up residence where they thought they were hunting that day.

    I have been a public-land-only hunter before. This type of thing HAS HAPPENED to me before. I got mad about it and then reminded myself that while it was unfortunate, at least that land which I had to share was better than the alternative, which is of course not having any land to hunt.
     
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  9. troy fairweather

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    The state land I am looking to try is popular with hikers I wonder how that will work out.
     
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    one of the spots I hunt semi regularly is part of a hiking trail. I've actually never had an issue even though I've run into at least a few every time I'm out.....they are usually tourist tho.
     
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  11. gspn

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    I get that you're upset, but in most cases there is no "laying claim" to public ground. Heck, even though my truck is in an area, nobody has a clue where I am, and they could accidentally interrupt my hunt.

    I hunted public land for years. There is no rule that says one type of hunting gets a higher priority.

    I was bowhunting a large bean field one day on public ground. Late in the afternoon, about the time the shadows were starting to get long and the deer should start moving, I watched in horror as a guy parked on the highway and kicked a few dogs out of his truck. He walked the entire permitter of that field, letting his dogs hunt something, until he and his dogs ended up directly under my tree. I'd sat there for hours waiting on the perfect time, and when it showed up, that guy ruined it. I wanted to cuss him and his dogs all the way back to wherever they came from...but I couldn't. I was angry, but it's public land. If I'm going to hunt it I have to recognize everyone else right to use it too. No matter how much time and effort I've put into a hunt, it can all be destroyed in a moments notice by anyone else who wants to use that land, and that's just something I need to deal with before I put my time, energy, and emotions into hunting there.

    My only real issue is the dangerous stuff that happens there. People walking around shooting guns willy nilly with no backstop can be a problem in some places I hunt. Again during bow season I heard a group coming long before I saw them. A group of college aged kids (it's near a college town) came strolling through the area with a .22 LR, drinking beer, talking and joking and just plinking in every direction as they tried to impress the girls they had with them. All I could do was hunker down and keep the tree between me and them.

    Another time my brother in law was almost shot by a criminal who decided he'd pull up at the boat launch and take some shots at a protected Heron that he saw a few hundred yards distant. What he didn't see were the camo'd duck hunters sitting beyond the Heron. He was shooting illegally from a vehicle in a parking lot, and shooting at a protected bird. The shot cracked loudly as it passed us.

    Public land in my part of the world can be a dangerous circus.

    Heck, the last time I hunted public ground in Montana I was hunting on a 40 mile gravel road that was dotted with public land all over. I walked back to my truck one morning and a guy had parked so close to my bumper that I thought he had to be a game warden. Nope. There were no cars on this road the entire length of it, but this guy pulled up literally one foot behind me, got out and started hunting. He didn't know where else to go so he just found my truck and started hunting the area. He had driven over a thousand miles to get there, and was so poorly prepared that he literally didn't know where to hunt. All I could do was shake my head. I ended up talking to him after he shot up the area one day. He missed a two shots on a deer, then decided that our hunting area would be a good place to check his zero. So he spent the next half hour busting caps and messing the place up. I spoke to him one afternoon and he said I was way friendlier than everyone else he met. He said most people drove off without talking to him. :rofl: No doubt because he was just driving around a state with wide open opportunities, but was crowding people because he had no skills, no map, no idea where the boundaries were. Terrible hunter, but, it's public land and that comes with the territory.

    Be polite, share the ground, and just know that everything you've done right can be interrupted at any moment, and you probably won't have any legitimate basis to be mad about it. That's just the nature of public land.
     
  12. troy fairweather

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    I'll see how it is this one is it's only a mile or so from the Appalachian trial where 3 states meet.
     
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    I have had THAT buddy. He was a school friend who was invited to a client's family place to hunt deer over Thanksgiving weekend. So without telling anyone else he invites his uncle, brother, cousin, and I to go on a "fantastic deer hunt."

    We all pile into his uncle's van and drive 6 hours to the "hunting place" and walk in on a family eating leftovers from Thanksgiving. They are only expecting him, not 5 people. His uncle proceeds to eat everything in sight like a Somali refugee. They politely suggest that they don't have room for all of us and refer us to a motel.

    The next day we go to a bar and this stranger invites us to hunt with his group but there's a catch. We have to go to a turkey shoot first. It turns out to be his personal private turkey shoot and it costs $5 each to shoot. He figures to win with his Marlin 36" goose gun and pocket the money. As luck (bad) would have it, I win the turkey shoot and there's no turkeys (except us). He buys a turkey hen from a local family, puts it in a croaker sack with a hole for its head to stick out and dumps us off at the edge of a National Forest to hunt.

    I just wish I had my own vehicle to drive back home but that night I'm stuck in a motel room with 2 guys and a clucking turkey in the bath tub.

    Finally, we leave and drive home without seeing a deer.

    All this should be a warning to you, STAY HOME!!!
     
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  14. stillquietvoice

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    My father had a saying. With friends like that you don't need enemies.
     
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    The world is full of available "Buddies".....the choice is yours, not his.
     
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    If you've got "that friend", I'd seriously reconsider hunting with him at all.

    Sometimes things just don't mix well...like a person who is inconsiderate of others, has an apparent minimalist attitude with respect to firearms safety, or doesn't respect the envirnment or property. Add a lack of common sense, and you really start to wonder about the wisdom of going somewhere together with loaded firearms.

    My advice...find yourself "indisposed" when it comes to hunting times with him. No need to make a big deal about it...your schedules just never seem to quite match up when it comes to hunting.
     
  17. Captcurt

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    I'm sorry dude, but that would be my last trip with him. I don't care if he had been a conjoined twin. That is just wrong.
     
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  18. GAF

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    I hunt public land here in Wisconsin.I just accept the fact that other people hunt the same land as I do. Most of the time there plenty of room and people almost never cross paths, but sometimes there are those that come crashing though the woods making all kinds of noise. They always seem to be coming in my direction.I look at it as if they might drive a deer toward me as well as chase one away. I shrug my shoulders and wait for them to pass.

    I have come across a number of people who think they own the whole public woods . I am reluctant to hunt around those people.
     
  19. Milt1

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    You have to ask yourself which one is the buddy, you or him? If the answer is you, then find another buddy!
     
  20. Riomouse911

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    Let’s ignore the squirrel honey hole and hunting, and look at the relationship.

    You have a “friend” who is self-centered, inconsiderate and demeaning. He’s made it obvious that your input means nothing to him, he will do what he wants when he wants. F them, F you, etc. You allow it , and he doesn’t care, because you keep coming back and trying to make it work.

    I have zero grade school, high school and/or college friends that I even talk to anymore. I moved a lot and the good ones faded, but I also don’t try and keep friends that don’t try to keep me as a friend in equal measures.

    All of the fairly large circle of friends that I have now I met when we were all older... and these are established, life long keepers.

    My advice (for what little it’s worth!): there are 320,000,000 possible friends out there in the US. Quit being his doormat and find ones who care about more than themselves. You’ll find good hunting-shooting buddies that are also good people... and in the end you’ll be glad you did.

    Stay safe.
     
  21. Loyalist Dave

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    DITTO! :fire:

    Your "buddy" gave up your squirrel honey hole to make himself look good in the eyes of the online internet survivalist yahoos, whom he HAS NOT known since High School....
    YOU were not invited, heck you were not even spoken with about the event, until you objected, and then he invited you and your girlfriend....
    You mentioned an outing where he was told NOT to cut wood, but he did it anyway to make a video of himself, to make him look good, AGAIN in the eyes of the survivalist yahoos that he barely knows OR whom he has never actually met and only communicated with, online.....

    YES, I like many others have had that one "buddy", but he's not a buddy any longer.
    I don't think a survivalist is an automatic yahoo or dingus..., but for some reason destructive yahoos and dingus seem to like to style themselves "survivalists"....

    I don't expect anybody to conform to my standards-of-conduct in the woods, BUT if you expect to call me "friend" while having my company in the woods, if your conduct conflicts with my standards, I will simply not be there in the future.
    I won't enable the behavior. I'd suggest you consider not doing so either.

    IF he's truly a friend he will value your long time friendship over the dingus horde he thinks he needs to impress, and he will stop. IF he gets upset when you tell him you're not going into the woods with him in the future because of his past behavior.., if he tells you to F-Off and says something like "You can't tell me what to do," then he's a user, not a friend (imho).


    LD
     
  22. Sav .250

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    As long time Buddies, it looks like your not on the same page.
     
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    I've lost contact with almost all my buddies through my early 30's, some did not mature and were a burden on me constantly. A couple others became dumber and crazier as booze and whatever else turned their brain to mush over the years. Only one crazy, dumb, reckless moron i know i let come around still - only because i'm his sons godfather and we were good friends from the age of 13. 2 years ago he lost his right to own firearms, his home, the affection of his now ex-wife, his job and most of my respect in one day, for no real reason except hes just a complete moron.
    Good luck.
     
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  24. ohihunter2014

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    Well last night I get a text with a picture of a plat map asking where would be a good place to camp. I replied I wasn't sure, I don't remember because I honestly don't. I also said, I am telling you that place will be packed with deer hunters. Halloween through November 15th has always been bad for that area being packed. His response was not if we all get there Thursday and fill the parking area with trucks all weekend. Besides, where else would we go? I said there is a state campground down the road and free primitive camping on the river. I never got a response. This area has about 50 free primitive camp sites along the river, but its used a lot by families and more of a park and camp thing. The state campground is about $20 a night. They also offer a large 25 person primitive site but they want to be in the middle of the woods so they can chop crap up and drink all night. I also told him if the warden is still the same guy they will be busted within a day with alcohol in a state park. I will not be putting myself in harms way camping with guys I don't know and no way in hell am I taking my girlfriend around that either.

    I get that's its public land but Squirrel season opened Sept 1 and runs till Jan 31. Rut only happens for 2-3 weeks and the bow hunters may show up thinking they are other deer hunters not knowing your going to have a bunch of hung over people shooting guns and making noise. When I hunted this area even into December gun week there would be people horse back riding and I overheard someone say they didn't care if we were deer hunting because its public land. I used to get one week a year to shoot a deer and they got 9 months to horse back ride. One woman asked her horse riding friends to be quiet because they saw me sitting in the tree stand. She replied while yelling that she didn't care! I am about respecting people. He brought up this camping thing back in July and I told him it was a bad idea. Go end of November or even October. Now if everyone was bow hunting I wouldn't care as much but this is going to be a giant drunk wanna be lumber jack fest and shooting guns in the air while guys are in trees is a very bad idea! I am more pissed about the F em attitude and also hey, lets show a bunch of people a spot we hunted since we were in high school. Lets show strangers a spot that both of us could limit on squirrel within a few hours because they are so thick in there. He says well they are my friends too its cool. I also found so much deer activity in that area it was crazy for public land and almost 15yrs of hunting there I never took a deer but now that I bow hunt a lot I would like to do it for nostalgia.
     
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  25. buck460XVR

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    There's a reason they call it public land.

    That said, Long time ago I realized I will never show anyone besides family where a good spot is to hunt or fish if it has public access. I also realized that I have no control over what I don't own, when it comes to hunting land. Kast year my son and I got chewed out by a bow hunter while pheasant hunting. Claimed we ruined his hunt because we and the dog worked the corn field in front of his stand. I calmly asked him hoe we were supposed to know where he was when he was in full camouflage. I then told himwe were going to work the rest of the field down to the river, so he just might want to stay on stand in case we ran something by him. Other hunters in the woods aren't always a detriment. On public land, many times they get deer up and moving, and thus vulnerable, when they otherwise would be holed up.
     
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