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Re: Gunbroker.
Vote with your feet. No one is forcing us to buy at those ridiculous prices. I always take sellers' comments with a great big salt lick. I've stockpiled enough ammo to last me a long while and I guarantee that I'll remember which sellers were profiteering when it comes time to buy again.

Re: Today's Political Climate.
Well said, Mike and Jimmy. Voting is done with the pen.
 
If I was a dealer, I'd probably be doing the same thing. Yeah, it sucks for buyers who remember being able to buy a WASR for $200 several years ago when they're over six hundred now, but that's the way it is. They know it's a great time to sell right now, so they're taking advantage of it. I don't blame them.

I really want an AK, but I'm not willing to pay today's prices. If prices don't come back down, I guess I'll just go without.
 
If it sickens you then move to China, the government keeps a pretty good handle on prices there to keep down profiteers and inflation.
 
Everything I have bought on Gunbroker.com had to be BID on. In truth, the buyer(by bidding) NOT the seller, set the price paid.
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Free market in its most simple form.
 
Went to a dealer today, AR's laying everywhere, (overpriced) the market responds to these things, if they don't drop prices now, they will drop them when the bill collectors show, (cold hard truth).
 
can someone tell me why gunbroker dealers are asking 400+ for well used model 10s?
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Like someone said, he can.

Now could someone please tell me how the dealer doing so harms you?
 
I've about had it with these hysterical

Sky is falling threads.

However, I'll put in my halfpenny.

Point #1:

We, the great unglued, are the ones allowing

The unmitigated ratcheting up of guns and ammo prices.

The merchants simply take advantage of this.

You can curse the merchants all you want,

But you started it and you are continuing it.

So, if you want to find out why the absurd prices,

Go into the bathroom and look at your face in the mirror.

Got it?

Point #2:

The great Obamanoia.

The guy has a lot bigger fish to fry

- for his present term and probably his next term -

Than "guns."

Plus, he, and the Dems,

Know damn well that there are a huge number

Of "Liberals" out there, LIKE ME,

Whose vote would turn in an instant

If they mess with the second amendment.

Republicans don't own the second.

Never did.

And they aren't the only gun owners in America.

So there is a surly story of political brokerage

Advertisement, and enticement, which goes along

With the many colored statements that

"Liberals hate guns."

I'll call bull**** to that right now,

And will defend it, buck and ball, or whatever it takes.

I need neither a Republican nor a Democrat

To instruct me on my constitutional rights.

America owns the second amendment.

Part of something called the Constitution.

Get it through your head.


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The problem is, value is always subjective. For some people $400 is part of what they make in a day and $400 for a model 10 is barely different than $200. For others $400 is a significant purchase that might take months to prepare for.

The perception of value changes based on the information you have. A lump of machined aluminum is worth about $2 a pound... until you know what it was machined to do. If you know it is a rifle receiver it might suddenly be worth $50 a pound... if you know it's a well made receiver it might be worth $150 a pound. If you know it has some special legal status (e.g. an antique, so legally not a firearm for GCA'68 purposes) it might be worth even more.

There is no harm in sellers providing whatever information they think will increase the value a mark sees in an item. It's up to the mark to educate themselves BEFORE they start negotiating a price. Anyone who doesn't do that... who trusts the "general" (not "condition of item being sold" but "the sky is blue, Spetznaz soldiers have landed in New Haven, the gov'nor just signed a bill...") information a seller provides to make value decisions deserves the lesson the seller is teaching them.
 
The "street" value of anything is always subjective. It is driven by the demand for it. An SKS sold for $79 a few years ago,now sells for $300-400. An Eqyptian Hakim sold for $75 if you could find anyone willing to buy it,they now sell for$500+. It is a seller's market now. If we just ride it out it WILL turn around.
 
I have seen a lot of these threads and so far nobody has ever explained why an offer to sell guns (or parts) sickens them. Seriousle, what is wrong with saying "I have THIS, I think is is worth $$$ because THAT."

Nobody is harmed by the offer.
Nobody is harmed by the asking price.
Nobody is harmed by the seller stating why they think an item is valuable.

Why would you be sickened? Oh, I know.... you want the item but don't want to pay the sasking price. A hint for you: haggle with the seller, not us.
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Amen brother. I get people offended at me all the time when they ask what I'll take for given item (gun, car, watch, apartment matters not which), and my attitude is that ANYTHING I own is for sale I'll just set my price to reflect how badly I want to sell it. The higher the price the less I want to sell it. If you are offended by that - tough! Don't buy it. If you want it badly enough meet my price and move on. Either way, if you're within earshot of me you're in a 'no whine zone,' and I don't want to hear it.:neener:

The "street" value of anything is always subjective. It is driven by the demand for it. An SKS sold for $79 a few years ago,now sells for $300-400. An Eqyptian Hakim sold for $75 if you could find anyone willing to buy it,they now sell for$500+. It is a seller's market now. If we just ride it out it WILL turn around.
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If you don't believe it just ask the professionals who said the stock market would never crash again!
 
I'm mostly riding this one out. I remember the last great primer shortage, and it got better after a while.

Now, when friends of mine need primers, I give them some. This, the current shortage, will pass.

Prices may not come down to where they were, but life will go on.

With that said, the prices have gone nuts. $120 for 1k of primers that cost just $16 not long ago is plain nuts.
 
We, the great unglued, are the ones allowing

The unmitigated ratcheting up of guns and ammo prices.

The merchants simply take advantage of this.

You can curse the merchants all you want,

But you started it and you are continuing it.

So, if you want to find out why the absurd prices,

Go into the bathroom and look at your face in the mirror.

Got it?
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Says it all. :banghead:
 
I think I contributed to this problem...

I had a Stainless Taurus PT92 I had picked up in 2005 for 400 bucks new. Well I had sold the gun in early 2008 for 350 dollars to fund a Glock 23. Anyways I really missed the gun and offered to buy it back when I had recieved my 2009 tax refund. The new owner had declined the sale so I searched all of my local gun shops for a PT92. None of the shops I usually frequent had any Taurus PT92s in stock so I contnued looking at some of the shops I don't really care for.

Well what do you know the last shop on my list had the Taurus PT92 in stock. The place is called "Precision Arms" and when I walk in I notice a TV tuned to some sort of NRA channel spewing information about proposed gun bans and Goverment conspiracy and or propaganda(I do believe a gun ban of some sorts is possible). The next thing I notice is a black Taurus PT92 marked 515 dollars. I knew it was marked about 100 dollars high, so I offered the guy 450, he began to spout off how this would be the first gun to be banned because of its 17 round capacity and then he continued to explain all the gun and ammo bans on the horizon. I really didn't care about the bans or what he had to say so I then offered 500 dollars he delined and said 515 because if "I don't sell it to you for that price I will sell it to the next guy".

So I caved just because I had the money and I could not find a PT92 locally. I know I paid about 100 dollars too much but it is the gun I wanted, hell I think I seen a NIB Beretta 92 at one of the other stores for 550 but I really wanted the Taurus.
 
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Everybody that didn't see an attempted gun grab on the horizon is paying the price now, literally. Me, I just fall back on the cheap little .22lr and plink merrily away. Hey, 12 gauge is still cheap too. X
 
Here is a perfect example of the trend to overhype, roll out the Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD), outright fib and gouge like a bandit.....

This is for one of the new Kel-Tec RFB bullpup rifles in .308, MSRP circa $1800.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/984223394/Guns/Rifles/Kel-Tec-Rifles/NEW_IN_BOX_KEL_TEC_RFB_308_BULLPUP_RIFLE_W_18_BARREL.htm

Price is.........$10,000 yes Ten Thousand Dollars

Plus $200 for shipping.......:barf:

The text is a gem.....

THERE ARE ONLY 40 GUNS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE,AND NO ONE KNOWS IF THE WILL EVER MAKE MORE. THE FIRST 20 GUNS WENT TO KELTEC EMPLOYEES,THE NEXT 20 GUNS WENT TO THE OWNERS OF ALL THE BIGGEST GUN WHOLESALERS IN THE USA. I WAS VERY LUCKY TO TALK MY FRIEND OUT OF HIS,THE SERIAL IS TAOO38,U CAN CALL TO VERIFY IF U LIKE,WITH THE CURRENT CLIMATE IN TH US DO NO BE SUPRISED IF U EVER SEE ANOTHER LIKE IT,THERE IS TALK OF CHANGING THE DESIGN SO IT WOULD BE MORE POLITICALY CORRECT,WHERE IS THE FUN IN THAT? IF A CHANGE SHOULD OCCUR,THESE FIRST 40 GUNS WILL BE WORTH A SMALL FORTUNE,ESPECIALLY IF A NEW BAN TAKES PLACE! THE PRICE IS A VERY VERY FIRM $10,000 DOLLAR CERTIFIED BANK CHECK,NO THIS IS NOT A JOKE,THE FUNDS WOULD BE RECEIVED BY A FFL DEALER IN KEY WEST THAT I HAPPEN TO MANAGE THE STORE FOR! U SHOULD CONTACT CHUCK THRU THIS SITE AND THANKS FOR LOOKIN!!! PS ALL FACTORYSHIPPING BOXES AND ALL FACTORY WARRENTY AND MANUALS ARE OF COARSE INCLUDED,AS TEY SHOULD BE,ALSO LET ME ASSURE U NOONE HAS TOUCHED OR FIRED THIS ONE OF A KIND GUN! ALO INCLUDED ARE 6 FN METRIC SUPERMAGS AND THE ATN DIGITAL SITE.
 
As independent thinkers folks must always be aware
of when the proverbial 'smoke' is being blown up their backsides
and independent thinkers probably simply hit the BACK button. lol
 
What is sickening is the the sleazeballs on gunbroker.com and similar websites trying to up sell their merchandise with phrases like "Another Hi-Cap magazine handgun that will be banned ... Order now while there is still time." and " AWB II is comming, buy now"
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Every ad for a gunshow says the same kind of lying crap. Too many guys out there are buying into the cheap hysteria shilled out by those who stand to make big bucks.

Used to have a hunting friend who I thought was pretty stable. After attending a Lawton gunshow he excitedly tells me that "congress has passed the AWB and it is awaiting Obama's signature." Tried to talk with the guy until he insinuated that I was lying to him. He calls every week and wants to go hog hunting but I want nothing to do with him.
 
the sickening thing is using fear and paranoia to drive the prices up
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If you aren't fearful or paranoid, you aren't subject to this. If you are, you'll always be vulnerable. Worry about yourself, and the things you can control.
 
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