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You should get a CHL because...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Arrogant Bastard, Aug 26, 2008.

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  1. Arrogant Bastard

    Arrogant Bastard Member

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    I am trying to come up with a list of reasons to give friends who are sitting on the fence with respect to getting a CHL -- I want to make it inclusive of people who don't currently own a gun, and have no immediate plans to get one, but don't have any kind of moral or ethical problem with it.

    Reason #1 I have now:

    You don't know when you'll get a crazy stalker, and you don't want to find out THEN it'll take nearly 6 months to get your CHL from the day you take the class.

    Help me come up with other reasons, please?
     
  2. cerberus65

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    Unexercised rights tend to disappear.
     
  3. JesseL

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    Reason #2:

    Waiting around for your NICS to come back clean sucks.

    Reason #3:

    Laws about how you can carry a firearm in your vehicle can be vague in some states and a CCW can save you some worrying.
     
  4. JesseL

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    If a concealed weapons permit is a right, I'd hate to see the hoops you have to jump trough for privileges.

    (I believe everyone does have the right to carry a weapon however they like without a permission slip, but the people in charge tend to disagree)
     
  5. cerberus65

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    The state I live in has no open carry. Without concealed carry I'm pretty much limited to having a gun in the car and/or the house. Doesn't do much good if I get mugged on the way back to the car. So, yes, a right. The right to keep and bear arms.

    The hoops are definitely an annoyance.
     
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    All the cool kids are getting them, and don't forget ARs, the really cool kids are getting those too.
     
  7. mr.72

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    because by getting a CHL you are voting in favor of collecting a tax and requiring a license to exercise your rights.

    because by not getting a CHL you are voting against the rights of regular citizens to be able to defend themselves.

    hmm sounds like heads we lose, tails they win.
     
  8. El Hombre

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    Having the CHL and actually carrying are two different issues. I think if you are in favor of CHL you should get one, wheither you choose to carry or not. It helps show support for CHL. If we don't exercise these options, they can disappear.
    I have also argued the point with others that are shooters, but don't carry, that if they are ever pulled over by law enforcement on their way "to or from" the shooting range, if they have their CHL, there is no question as to "Why they have a gun in their vehicle." (Yes, I know they already have a legal right to have the gun, but the CHL stops the discussion before it is started.)
     
  9. zoom6zoom

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    A good reason to get one? In many states that issue, like here in VIrginia, the number of people applying is going up significantly every year. Yes, your legislators DO notice those numbers.

    From one of the local papers:
    Link for above story
     
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  10. Deanimator

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    1. Police have no duty to protect you as an individual.
    2. Police have no liability if they don't protect you as an individual.
    3. Police have almost no ability to protect you as an individual.

    Protect yourself or don't get protected at all.
     
  11. nicki

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    Why get a CCW.

    1. So that in bad times like natural disasters, police strikes, civil breakdown that you will be able to protect yourself and family.

    2. It lets officials know that this is a right people take seriously.

    3. If you get stopped at a traffic stop, most cops will know that if you turn up as a ccw holder, that they are safe. Can't do anything about anti gun cops, but most cops by now are realizing that the CCW holder shooting cops is propaganda. May even save you a ticket if you are nice.

    4. Build up your confidence. Of course you should always avoid confrontation, but carrying a gun changes your body language from I'm a victim to don't **** with me. Bad guys read that and usually find other targets.

    5. If you are ever involved in a shooting, you have a documented record that you took some type of training.

    Nicki
     
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    Because you can.
     
  13. Rokyudai

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    It takes less time for a criminal to make the decision to commit unspeakable acts of human aggression than for most law abiding to come up with a response to protect themselves. Actions speak louder than words.
     
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    • When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
    • The average violent crime is over in 20 seconds. The average police response time is 8 minutes.
     
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    Not to put a downer on this thread, but as I'm a "fence sitter" who can apply but at the moment doesn't intend to...

    Answers like this really get me:

    So because I don't carry a gun I'm not protecting myself?

    So because I don't carry my body language automatically makes me a victim? I sure don't consider myself a victim. I recognize that anything can happen at any time, but I'm no more a victim then someone else. Not to mention if carrying a gun makes me feel like a badass, can't that make me do stupid things?

    And finally...

    If I have a Concealed Handgun License, how does that save me from carrying a Rifle? Just curious, but I would think a CHL would say its ok to have pistols, but not that tacticool evil rifle sitting on the backseat.

    Obviously rules and regs vary by state, so people are speaking from their own experience with their states. But I have yet to really see any solid reasons why I should be concerned with getting my CCW.
     
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    So... with every reason or statement listed, consider that not every one of them is designed to hit every audience (different strokes). Having several to choose from will hopefully help Arrogant engage his friends in a good conversation. I will also take a risk and say that he is not going to drop this list in their laps and say, "here". Mentioning some of them within a conversation with the right people could yield progress.
     
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    That was my main reason.

    Felt a tinge uneasy knowing my prints were on their way to the FBI though.
     
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    Pisses Obama off big time...
     
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    I remember the story recently of a 60+ year old surfer who was killed by a great white shark off the coast of CA. This type of attack is rare here, but not unheard of. This surfer weighed this risk, but probably felt safe because it was so rare. On that day, however, the odds caught up with him.

    Too many people don't feel the need for self defense abilities because they rarely travel out of their safety zones. Not many crimes in the better parts of town, but not rare either. Don't let the odds catch up with you just because you think the odds low enough to be beat every day.
     
  20. Rmart30

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    + 1 on that ! and lets not forget there is strength in numbers.
     
  21. Greg.B

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    Because it's too difficult to carry a cop around on your hip...


    Seriously, because it's our RKBA, but unfortunately, some states have limited that right through permits and liscenses. Exercise it the best you can.
     
  22. Jdude

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    I personally prefer open carry. I have a problem with 'asking permission'. That said, I wouldn't stop someone from getting a CWP. I often recommend them to new shooters. Here are my primary reasons.

    1 You learn how to shoot, often better than I can teach you.
    2 You learn about the laws involved in the use of force.
    3 Should you choose to carry your firearm, you can keep it hidden and nobody will know.
    4 You join and carry on an American tradition.
    5 I need someone else to buy my ammo, and you look rich. ;)
     
  23. velobard

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    Point them toward some of the Armed Citizen columns from the NRA magazines. There are also a bunch online if you google that as a search term.
     
  24. razorback2003

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    It is a hassle in some states to have a loaded handgun in a car without a license/permit. In TN we cannot have a loaded handgun for protection in a car unless you have the permit. A permit is cheaper than paying to try to get your car gun back, going to court, and the time spent with the legal hassles.
     
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    I also am not one to ask permission for concealed or open carry. That said, the comment above is the dominant reason I have a HCP in Tennessee.
    It is worse than that actually. I'm no lawyer, but if you were caught with a loaded handgun in a car in TN (without a permit) I understand you would loose your firearm rights as well as spend a lot of money defending an indefensiveble choice when the HCP is available.
     
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