Inebriated
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I posted this in the thread earlier, but please do show me how this is a lesser round today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k0515AxzA5c#t=127s
Seems rather effective, if you ask me.
Your view on Hydra-Shok ammo?
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I posted this in the thread earlier, but please do show me how this is a lesser round today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k0515AxzA5c#t=127s
Seems rather effective, if you ask me.
That looks fine. I recall having seen better from others, but that looks fine.
Problem here is that n=1. I've seen plenty of others that clogged and failed to open significantly, including in this thread.
But hey, like I said in my first response here, if you have them and they work in your gun you have a very good reason to go with them. I would still recommend something different to the person making an initial selection, though.
Problem here is that n=1. I've seen plenty of others that clogged and failed to open significantly, including in this thread.
But hey, like I said in my first response here, if you have them and they work in your gun you have a very good reason to go with them. I would still recommend something different to the person making an initial selection, though.
Inebriated
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Fair enough. I recommend HSTs and Gold Dots over any other load, but just in my little tests and several videos, I haven't found an issue with Hydra Shoks.
Inebriated
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I prefer HSTs myself... $30 for 50 rounds beats $27 for 20 rounds, which are the averages in my area. Both perform excellent, and if I run dry on HSTs, I have no issues going with Gold Dots. I do prefer them to Hydra-Shoks, but I can usually find Hydra-Shoks easier.
Inebriated
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I've yet to find Gold Dots in 50 round boxes for $30, and I don't think I've seen the Hydra Shoks in 50 round boxes at all... The Ranger stuff... ehh, I've never bothered trying it when I'm happy with the other three.
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http://www.mahsupplies.net/
50 bound boxes of 230gr Gold Dots for $29.75. They are out of stock right now, but he does a pretty good job of getting stuff in stock, so check back. I just ordered three boxes of that a couple weeks ago, and received them promptly. It was $101.88, shipped, for all three boxes (150 rounds).
I didn't pay more than $30 for any of mine, including the several boxes, not pictured, I already put downrange.
Inebriated
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Well dang... I thought I was doing good with 4 boxes of defensive ammo for the .45 lol. I'm gonna have to order some stuff from him. Just got a 9mm for the first time in a while, so I'm needing some good defensive ammo to stash away. And at prices like that, I'll pick up some more .45 as well.
Thanks for the link man, I appreciate it!
Inebriated
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I might just do that. I haven't had a chance to get anything for it, except 300 rounds of FMJ the day I got it (last Saturday). It'll be my carry gun (G26) once my CCW stuff comes back, so until then I've got some breaking in to do.
Inebriated
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Ehh, it SHOULDN'T need a break in, and no Glock I've had needed one, but it's the best excuse I can muster so I can spend excess amounts of time at the range.
And the little thing is just a dream to shoot. Fits pretty much everywhere.
And the little thing is just a dream to shoot. Fits pretty much everywhere.
Ash
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So, based on that argument, a Walther P38 is of no practical value since it is old? A Colt 1917 New Service in 45acp is of no value because it is not only old, but merely a 6-shot revolver? That is an extreme version of your point not intended to exaggerate, merely make a point. A man armed with a Colt New Service today is equal to a man armed with a SIG 220. The 1917 did not cease to be effective when modern autos came about.
HS are older, true, but their qualities did not diminish in some way once newer rounds came out. Their serviceability remains exactly the same now, as they did when introduced. Their effectiveness did not magically decline when something else came about (there is no inverse proportion at play, here). So, if HS was at any time a good round, it remains a good round. If it is not good now, it never was good. It either has always been a good round, or never has been good.
No longer best? Okay, anyone can buy that. No longer any value? Makes no sense.
HS reliably stopped people, or LE's would not have carried them. Therefore, HS reliably stops people, which is why people still carry them.
HS are older, true, but their qualities did not diminish in some way once newer rounds came out. Their serviceability remains exactly the same now, as they did when introduced. Their effectiveness did not magically decline when something else came about (there is no inverse proportion at play, here). So, if HS was at any time a good round, it remains a good round. If it is not good now, it never was good. It either has always been a good round, or never has been good.
No longer best? Okay, anyone can buy that. No longer any value? Makes no sense.
HS reliably stopped people, or LE's would not have carried them. Therefore, HS reliably stops people, which is why people still carry them.
Sapper771
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I have never really cared much for Hydra Shocks. I have used them in 9mm and 45acp with so-so results. IMO/IME, there are better designs out now that are superior to the Hydra Shock.
+1 for HotPig.
+1 for HotPig.
Loosedhorse
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Based on anything besides gel? Does your declaration that they are in the lower 50% of all offerings (not one of the "better" choices) cover all HS calibers, or just some?Warp said:
Now that sounds more like it to me.Ash said:
Ash
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Excuse me?
Loosedhorse
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Warp said:
me said:
You are perhaps unaware, when you say that HS is no longer "one of the better choices available," what your words actually mean?Warp said:
Okay by me.
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I myself feel confident in Hydra-shok after doing some "tests". I feel for the price the ammo is a good buy, and provides reliable results. I tried out 9different types of hollow points, and decided from that list based on effectiveness (which is subjective). The top 4 were:
1.) Speer Gold Dot
2.) Federal Hydra-Shok
3.) Remington Golden Saber Bonded
4.) Hornaday Critical Defense
I feel confident enough after firing all these to use them in a CCW or home defense pistol. They all performed well and I think for value #2 and #4 are very good.
1.) Speer Gold Dot
2.) Federal Hydra-Shok
3.) Remington Golden Saber Bonded
4.) Hornaday Critical Defense
I feel confident enough after firing all these to use them in a CCW or home defense pistol. They all performed well and I think for value #2 and #4 are very good.
JRC45AUTO
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Well all you experts are wrong.
Any hollow point (gold dots, and the like) will plug with clothing no matter what new hole design you come up with.
The post in the HS is to help prevent plugging.
But all this aside, the bullet I carry, shoot IPSC, IDPA, and reload for my many 45's is the 200gr hard cast semi wad cutter at 900 f/s.
This bullet will take most things on 2 or 4 legs.
It does not expand & loose penetration.
It cuts a nice neet 45 cal hole through bone, blood vessles, car doors and anything else in its way.
I moly coat them and this has greatly reduced the cleaning required.
And they are cheap compaired to the latest space age technology wonder bullet.
And one other thing to consider is You can really get good shooting the same bullet exclusively. You get to know the trajectory and where its going to hit.
Any hollow point (gold dots, and the like) will plug with clothing no matter what new hole design you come up with.
The post in the HS is to help prevent plugging.
But all this aside, the bullet I carry, shoot IPSC, IDPA, and reload for my many 45's is the 200gr hard cast semi wad cutter at 900 f/s.
This bullet will take most things on 2 or 4 legs.
It does not expand & loose penetration.
It cuts a nice neet 45 cal hole through bone, blood vessles, car doors and anything else in its way.
I moly coat them and this has greatly reduced the cleaning required.
And they are cheap compaired to the latest space age technology wonder bullet.
And one other thing to consider is You can really get good shooting the same bullet exclusively. You get to know the trajectory and where its going to hit.
Do you ever have feeding problems with that SWC in semi autos?
There are certainly positives to a SWC, but when the "latest space age technology wonder bullet" (which has been around for a long time) penetrates >14" while expanding to 0.85" or greater...it has some positives too.
There are certainly positives to a SWC, but when the "latest space age technology wonder bullet" (which has been around for a long time) penetrates >14" while expanding to 0.85" or greater...it has some positives too.
I can vouch for shooting 230gr HydraShocks in a 1917 Colt.
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