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You're a "gun fighter" when....

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Stinkyshoe, Jul 17, 2003.

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  1. Stinkyshoe

    Stinkyshoe Member

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    I was talking to a guy the other day about knives and knife related topics. We got on the subject of people who buy "fighting" knives and claim to be "knife fighters". He said that if someone claims to be a knife fighter, then you should tell them to show you their scares and debilitated appendages(basically, he was suggesting that anyone who says this is full of it,unless of course they have scares). This guy claims to be a gun fighter.......I wonder what that means......?
     
  2. Sir Galahad

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    What it means is he's full of excrement. The thought that to come out on top of a knife fight, you have to be cut is ridiculous. The point is to cut the other guy and not get cut yourself. This is like saying to come out on top of a self-defense shooting, you need to catch a round your own self. What, you should stick up your hand and take a wound so people will believe you won?! Imagine if you're up against a guy with a 12 gauge shotgun. "Well, as you can see by the colostomy bag, I'm a gunfighter. Hard to find a leather holster that matches the bag, ya know. The color changes with the diet. Ya know how hard it is to find leather the color of digested chili? Yep, ya don't get to where I'm at by being a ovice. No sirree..."
     
  3. 10-Ring

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    That's ridiculous! Using the same logic I'd have to get shot to be considered a gun fighter?
     
  4. BerettaNut92

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    See this .308 exit wound? :rolleyes:
     
  5. Cal4D4

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    Even an outmatched knife fighter can get a nick or a scratch off at the better combatant. Distances are real close. Guns can be different. I think a knife fighter will bleed in any serious encounter. Loser bleeds more, sooner. Winner of gunfight probably first to get off accurate enough shot of adequate power.
     
  6. Zundfolge

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    I'll respectfuly disagree ...

    Several years ago my wife was taking Tae Kwon Do and they had an expert knife fighter give a demonstration one day (the class was very self defense oriented).

    She told me the guy layed out a list of "Rules of a Knife Fight".

    He said "The first rule of a knife fight is; you WILL be cut"



    My only criteria for considering someone a "Gun Fighter" is that they have actually been in a gun fight.
     
  7. Jim March

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    The best "knife fighters" not only don't get cut, they don't cut anybody else.

    They pull it out in a simple but confident fashion, and the goblin runs away.

    This is THE most common reaction in real life to getting a gun OR knife pulled on ya.
     
  8. CWL

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    I think that gunfighters exist, these are people who use a gun as the means to carry out their profession.

    A good example would be HRT, Entry-team people -these people draw & are prepared to use their weapons up to two dozen times a day. SEALs and Delta types also fit.

    Regular LEOs and military would not be considered as such. Bodyguards, criminals and trainers are not though.
     
  9. brownie0486

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    CWL :

    You do or don't believe executive protection people [ BG's ] are gunfighters?

    I have been in that line of work for over 20 years on and off. Most of the pros I have worked with would be considered gunfighters in a sense.

    If we are talking security guards who are armed, thats different. Though they may be considered professionals technically as they get paid to carry a weapon to protect the general public in places, the paid EP suits who watch over VIP's and their families and are responsible for keeping them alive day in and out will usually have a high level of gun handling skills and in that sense are gunfighters by nature.

    They [ BG's ] are hired guns, usually indicating they have a level of proficiency in tactics and weapons above the ordinary individual who carries for their own safety.

    When I'm on a detail with a VIP it is understood that you are prepared to defend with the gun immediately if necessary, and have the skills to take incoming while returning fire and moving the client out of the danger zone at the same time.

    If I'm not on assignment I'm not a gunfighter [ no one knows I have a gun on me ]. When on assignment, I am being paid to be one if and when the time comes for such actions.

    Just my take on the question, YMMV.

    Brownie
     
  10. DadOfThree

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    Having an exit wound doesn't mean you were a gun fighter, it means you were a target. :D
     
  11. Mike Irwin

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    Attitudes such as that often tend to get people into situations where they're in way over their heads because they're not smart enough to know when to run.

    You start thinking of yourself in such terms and you start believing mental publicity that's not based on anything tangible.

    As the old saying goes, he's a legend in his own mind.
     
  12. Matthew Courtney

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    This thread is so dumb that I just had to be a part of it.;)
     
  13. Joe Demko

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    Anybody who has been in any significant number of knife-on-knife confrontations is going to have the marks to show for it. On the other hand, "knife fighters" are pretty rare. Prisons and such places are, however, full of folks experienced in ambushing unsuspecting victims and stabbing them to death. It is relatively easy to do that and not get cut.
    Most importantly, though, I am amazed to learn that I've been hanging out here at THR with honest-to-gosh knifefighters and gunfighters! How do you list that on your tax returns?
     
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    Golgo-13 : A 1099 form to the IRS and state DOR at the end of your fiscal year.

    Brownie
     
  15. 4v50 Gary

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    You're a gun fighter when...

    you struggle to disassemble the gun for cleaning and struggle even harder to fit the spare parts in when you're done. :p
     
  16. Jack19

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    I'm not sure even those of us who have survived gunfights would describe ourselves as "gun fighters." To me, "gun fighter" connotes some perceived status with regard to profession, or someone who seeks out armed combat in a non-war situation. Frankly, I have to wonder who would call themselves that? And, why?

    I get paid to carry a gun, yet I don't consider myself a "gun fighter." I'll do it if the situation demands it, no question, but my primary objective is the opposite of gun fighting.
     
  17. St. Gunner

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    I'm a proffesional barbwire fighter...


    Yep you are a proffesional when you pull a bone head move and end up with 18 staples and 32 stitches, which I managed to do last year.


    Guess I could claim to be a knife fighter, nobody would ever know.:rolleyes:

    Sorta a cool pic if you aren't squeamish.:D
     

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    St. Gunner - Thank heavens for Bostitch eh?!?
     
  19. geekWithA.45

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    Warrior is a state of mind and preparedness...

    Gunfighter, knifefighter, fistfighter, missilefighter, whatever.

    The tools are entirely secondary.

    Regardless of whether you've actually gotten into (and hopefully out of) a confrontation, you can legitimately claim the status of warrior if you roll out of bed in the morning fully prepared to prevail in a conflict to defend yourself, your family, your property, and your liberty.

    I'll take an empty handed warrior, with the will to prevail, over an armed punk anyday.
     
  20. Ex-Doc

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    I thought liberal gun grabbers were Gun Fighters....thats what happens when you are raised in California.....
     
  21. Ex-Doc

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    So if I was to have the cr@p kicked out of me in a fight would that make me a ninja?
     
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    You would have to take a throwing star to the forehead to be considered a Ninja.
     
  23. Mostly Harmless

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    She and I must have had the same instructor. :cool:

    If you're in any sort of up close and personal combat with a knife-wielding opponent you are almost certain to get cut. The trick is not to panic when you do. It doesn't hurt at first, but the sight of one's own blood often causes panic.

    The only such scar I have is on my left forearm. It was a very superficial cut and the scar is almost invisible now (after more years than I'd care to admit to). Not that I claim to be a knife fighter, you understand...

    J.
     
  24. Sean Smith

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    Man, I need to start passing myself as a Tough Guy... I've got a bunch of scars!

    :neener:
     
  25. BunsenH

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    I think anyone that claims to be a knife or gun fighter is usually a little full of themselves or nuts. To me you would have to go out searching for these kinds of fights to claim this. Maybe they do but that's the "nuts" part.

    If they end up in fights because of their job or other interests, well that's unfortunate. If they survive these fights then they can call themselves lucky or well prepared.

    I did get in a knife fight with my Jeep once (short boring story). My arm doesn't look like St. Gunner's because my Jeep only got in one slash, but it's in the same place. I guess either I'm a "Knife Fighter" now or just a Dumb@$$.
     
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