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Yuma sheriff gets armored car to patrol border

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  1. Desertdog

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    Yuma sheriff gets armored car to patrol border
    http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3953913
    Yuma County sheriff's deputies will now be patrolling the Arizona-Mexico border in a surplus British military armored personnel carrier.


    The $18,000, nine-ton, six-wheeled vehicle is needed because of increased attacks against deputies and U.S. Border Patrol agents by drug and migrant smugglers, sheriff's and patrol officials said. The agencies frequently work together.

    The Border Patrol's Yuma sector also has a new armored car, this one a 4 1/2 ton vehicle picked up from the Baltimore police. It's set to go into service in a few months.

    Law enforcement officers in the border region are increasingly subject to rock throwing, gunfire and being rammed by fleeing vehicles.

    In the first six months of 2005, 167 assaults, 104 rock throwing incidents and six cases of officers targeted by gunfire have been documented by the agencies in the Yuma region, sheriff's Maj. Leon Wilmot said.

    In August, a rock thrown by an illegal immigrant forced a Border Patrol helicopter to land west of Yuma. The rock hit the rotor blade of the A-Star chopper, forcing the pilot to make an emergency landing. No one was hurt.

    Wilmot said he hopes the armored personnel carrier deters the violence, and stops those who try to ram their way to freedom.

    "Hopefully, when they see this, they'll know they just can't run into this and get away," Wilmot said.

    Border Patrol spokesman Michael Gramley said federal officers already use "war wagons" pickups with detention compartments in the back and metal grates on the windows to protect agents from rock throwers.

    But the new military vehicles will be the first capable of withstanding gunfire.
     
  2. beerslurpy

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    Why not? The LAV is useless as a frontline combat vehicle.

    The LAV can be disabled by 50 cal and 14.5mm arounds as well as being vulnerable to the usual rpg and ied culprits. Its basically an M113 with crap armor, no off-road ability and too much weight to transport combat-ready on a C130.

    Its basically a POS, unless you intend to use it against civilians who dont have access to anti-tank technlogies or the ability to effectively set ambushes. Which does make me wonder why the army is attempting to replace the superior M113 with it.
     
  3. Biker

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    Now we just need to equip it with a caltrop spreader and some anti-illegal missiles.
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  4. Tokugawa

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    Biker, you are part of a small elite who know what a caltrop is. Maybe we should take a poll. Or a test. Here is the test.
    A caltrop is-
    1 - a trollop, spelled differently.
    2- a tropical californian
    3- A form of cow dung
    4- something General Giap wished he had invented for grunts to step on. Instead, he used the pungi stake.
     
  5. Biker

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    I thought that 'Pungi' was a province of India whose flag was something along the lines of "Don't Tread On Me". :D
    Biker
     
  6. Moparmike

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    Ow.
     
  7. beerslurpy

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    *** are you talking about? Everyone knows what a caltrops is. They have only been in use since like 2-3000 years ago when men developed the ability to shape metal into pointy things.
     
  8. Sam

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    Wonder how long it will be before some enterprising fellow from SOTB figures he can cook the occupants with a couple pints of increasingly expensive fuel?
    :D
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    Gasoline and Lux detergent makes a fine BBQ.
     
  10. garyk/nm

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    Hmmm....AZ desert in the summer-time, 115-120 degrees on the ground, and driving around in mobile ovens. Yep, makes sense to me!

    A nine-ton, slow moving target.

    Wonder how many volunteers they get to go on this joyride?
     
  11. beerslurpy

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    The hilarious thing is that when the mexicans leave the road, the LAV is gonna follow them and get stuck in the sand.
     
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    Easy way to fix it?

    National Guard.

    For Christ sake's it's about time they are deployed to guard us already.
     
  14. modifiedbrowning

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    I just think it's funny that the BP is getting their APC from the Baltimore Police. What did the Baltimore Police need it for I wonder.
     
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    Probably had it for riot situation's. I'd be willing to bet they had it modified to have a water cannon or some such, or was there to be used to get riot police where they needed to be.

    I stil lsay the best thing is to put the national guard or other military o nthe boarder.

    Then let's see if they fire on our actual military unit's and risk a war.
     
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    Bush will not allow this to happen - it would cost him votes. He'd rather sell all of us out than chance that.
    And Jammer - Every time an illegal crosses the border, it makes us weaker and makes the country he left stronger. ;)
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    Funny, no mention of the MExican Army firing on the Border Patrol. :scrutiny:

    Mexican soldiers attack BP agent

    I also remember reading a story where the some Mexican soldiers shot up a Border Patrol truck.
     
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    It might be a down-armored turretless LAV3. Or some more primitive variant thereof. I'm guessing it will stop 30 cal, but beyond that I wouldnt want to bet my life.
     
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    They need some Humvees.

    Then the Mexican Army won't shoot at them- thinking they Mexicans too.
     
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    The USMC's LAV is 8 wheeled, not 6.
    18,000lbs is too small to be the 6 wheeled LAV-300 (aka V-300 Commando), I dont know if the British used them (since thats where its noted as being surplused from), but the US military does not.

    If they really wanted to go after illegals, they should consider a Stryker, the LAV's bigger, badder brother (heavier armor and weapon, at the expense of losing its amphibious ability, not like they really need that in the desert), but those are going for about $2mil fully outfitted.

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    Sheesh Tokugawa, if Giap had looked at any pictures of D-day he would have seen the GI's trying to take cover under industrial sized caltrops as they were trying to get above the water line.

    There isn't anything new under the sun (more or less, of course your milage may vary :neener: :uhoh: )
     
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    I was part of the second Stryker Brigade, 1-25th. (A Co, 1-5 Infantry). The Stryker is not larger nor better armed than a LAV. The chief difference is that a Stryker (IAV) has a remote weapons station instead of a turrent, theoretically allowing it to fit inside a C-130.

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    Jshirley:
    The LAV is 2 feet shorter than a Stryker (251" vs 275") and 10,000lbs lighter.
    Doesnt the LAV's (more correctly, the Bison, the APC variant of the LAV system) ring mount only traverse 270deg, and isnt their standard weapon on a M240? Or at least thats all the Marines are putting on the LAV/Bison variant we're building for them.

    There's also a significant performance difference in the armor, but for that, you'll have to go to publically available sources to see exactly how different the armor is between the two.

    Did you guys deploy with a few M93A1 Foxes?

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    Surplus British APC? A Saxon?
     
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    Yeah, but we're not a police state!

    Living in a police state is a small price to pay for living in a free country! :D

    Another feckless toy for the police so they can look like they are "doing something". :rolleyes:
     
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