Zumbo: Gun rag writer trashes "Assault Weapons"

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Dear Beretta,

Dear Beretta,

Will you please now consider offering the following firearms :

1. Pump shotgun in 12, 20, 28, and .410. Blue and Wood, adult and youth sizes.
Simple , rugged and offer the 12 and 20 bore in combinations of longer barrel for clay shooting, hunting and shorter barrels for turkey and deer.

2.
28 gauge in 390/391 type semi-auto platform. I personally use a 28 gauge semi-auto shotgun to introduce new shooters to shotguns.
This gun is also great for those younger and of smaller stature, older, or physically limited due to recovering from detached retinas, shoulder, neck and back surgery.

3. Over & Under in a "working person's" configuration. While I appreciate the metal to wood fit Beretta is known for, the beautiful wood and deep blue, the attention to detail of Beretta Shotguns, there is a real void that needs to be filled.

Offer this gun in 20, 28 and .410. I suggest these be built on respective frame size to gauge.

This void encompasses those wanting a quality firearm, with quality control before leaving the factory. Customer Service after the purchase, and in a price point not offered currently.

Working Person's shotgun fills a void for those in legal and political jurisdictions where repeating firearms are not "friendly".

Fills a void for those that travel by land conveyance where a Over and Under shotgun is more politically correct, and easier to "take down" and "store secure" as some jurisdictions mandate.

Fills a void for a new shooter to have one gun to shoot clay games, hunt, use on farms, ranches, be it in a farm/ranch/tractor or just out checking the property.

While I have participated in sanctioned shotgun sports and used more expensive shotguns and again- I appreciate fine craftsmanship, wood and blue and pride of ownership - a very real void exists and the void is getting bigger.

4.
Single shot shotguns in 20,28 and .410

Just like the Over & Under in "Working Person's" version and add the option to have these shotguns come with/ or obtain from Beretta extra barrels to shoot .22 rim-fire and center-fire cartridges. Good examples would be a Youth version with 28gauge and .22 long rifle, 28 gauge with .223, .410 with .22 rim-fire , and 20 gauge with 30-30.

Beretta, some manufacturers have forgotten the customers that made them successful. Some manufacturers are not thinking about the future , the up and coming new shooters.
Some manufacturers have not taken into account we have a "aging society" and the customers that used to could shoot what they did, no longer can due to age, and physical limits.

The geriatric wants to be able to pass forward to the up and coming shooters so many life lessons. The geriatric wants to be able to buy a firearm for a grandchild, and be able to easily carry a "Working Person's" shotgun as they walk side by side with that grandchild.
The geriatric wants to be able to enjoy an outing shooting sporting clays, skeet , trap, Five Stand, and short course trap.

Beretta, please consider these offerings.

Some firearm manufactures have forgotten the Responsible Firearm Owner. These Responsible Firearm Owners respect other firearm platforms and those that use them in other disciplines.
Responsible Firearm Owners do not have a "Us versus Them" attitude, when it comes to understanding others have rights just as they themselves do- simply called Respect.

Everyone is responsible for their words and actions, some firearm manufacturers have taught the buying public how to treat the firearm manufacturers by how they fight for Freedom, the individuals they choose to represent them in Media and how these representing them conduct themselves in everyday affairs - and how they listen to the buying customer.

Beretta, history is a great teacher. One is wise to not repeat mistakes, instead learn from mistakes and move in a forward direction.

Many mistakes have been made in the past by firearm manufacturers and another one by a competitor that has a long history of firearm manufacturing has been made to the buying public through a representative through Media recently.

Internet is a real time communication tool. It can be used to communicate both negative and positive communications.
For the business person, there are ways to tabulate how advertising dollars spent, reflects the customer's buying of products.

There is no way to tabulate the negative impact of lost customers, customer dollars and customer support through negative communications , be it word of mouth, or Internet or both.

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,

Steve
 
IMO, if that article does not accurately reflect Zumbo's beliefs, then it was completely rewritten from scratch. This was no offhand, unthinking remark.

ASSuming it's true that he's not a "gun guy," he's one of the reasons that our RKBA is in such danger. If all American gun owners would take notice of how our RKBA has been trampled for the past SEVEN DECADES and take action, the Feinsteins, Schumers, Pelosis, Kennedies, and McCarthy's wouldn't have a leg to stand on WRT to gun control.

:cuss:
 
My $.02.
Dear Mr Zumbo,

Respect is a strange thing. t takes a long time to gain it, yet it can be lost in an instant.

Over many years of reading your columns and watching your TV shows, I have built up a great deal of respect for you. I just lost every last shred of it in the past five minutes. I lost most of my respect for Outdoor Life magazine as well.

Like it or not Jimmy, AR-15s have become a very viable platform for hunting varmits and predatosr. Your head must be planted pretty deeply in some hole (in the ground or elsewhere) to not notice that for the past several years.

But that's not the real basis for my lost respect. My guess, Jim, is that you believe the Second Amendment is meant to protect our right to hunt. What part of "shall not be infringed." don't you understand, Jim?

If the Antis get their way, so called "assault weapons" will be the first to go. After that, it'll most likely be rifles, with their high-power scopes, powerful ammunition, and ability for snipers to inflict death at incredibly long ranges. Yes, Jim, they may not come after your blued steel and walnut first, but make no mistake, they WILL come after them.

Solidarity in the face of this onslaught against our rights is important, and the way I see it, Jim, you just sold out a significant part of the outdoors community to save your own arse for awhile. Sellouts deserve no respect and will certainly have none of mine.

Never again will I read your column, nor watch your TV show, nor partonize any of your sponsors. Letters to your sponsors will be forthcoming.

I completely agree that Jim should be allowed to hold and express his opinions. I also think its terribly wrong for somone who's made a pretty good living from the outdoors, hunting and guns to sell out a large part of that sport to the antis.

Thanks iamkris, for the list of sponsors. Thatl saved me some work. :)
 
Take some of this energy and focus it someplace useful.

Look for threads in L&P started by "bogie" and do more than eat alive one of our misguided own.

Where is the political activism forum?
 
Sticky Please!

Moderators,

Could we please Sticky the list of sponsors for Mr. Zumbo iamkris was so kind to provide to all us ? http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3124022&postcount=77

Perhaps a copy and paste of these sponsors at the beginning of this thread for easy reference, with credit given to iamkris.

Any additional listing of sponsors could be added as well by Staff/Moderator.
 
I wish we could get as much immediate activist reaction for actual anti-gun legislation!

This one gent's blog is getting hundreds of slams per hour, I wonder how many hits our elected reps get when actual damaging legislation comes onto the radar?

MatthewVanitas,
Well written and worth taking to heart. I have actually created an outlook "group" that consists of my local officials, and another for my federal level officials. I have now made a personal commitment that when something like your examples pops up I will, AT MINIMUM, compose and send an email on the matter. I consider this my (belated) new years resolution.
 
I would say the reason you see more activity here is that the sponsors of this dolt will be much more reactive than your local politician about a CG issue...

They see dollars lost..the Pols have no fears as the memory of the average US citizen is short and he isn't worried about it so much....and frankly most gunowners are just tired of it and all the protest, stupid laws are still passed...regardless of how much pissing and moaning they do.. it is an apples and oranges argument.
 
This same type of mobilization needs to take place whenever we see any large media figure disseminate false information to discredit our cause.

If Katie Couric says something wrong on the evening news an e-mail barrage like this guy is getting would be noticed by her sponsors.
 
Again, that also would be akin to peeing in the wind... See Catie Couric dosent work for a gun maker or gun magazine... this guy is a GUN Writer..he is supposed to be on our side...so he is a traitor to the gun community, while Catie is just politically biased.
 
Again, that also would be akin to peeing in the wind... See Catie Couric dosent work for a gun maker or gun magazine... this guy is a GUN Writer..he is supposed to be on our side...so he is a traitor to the gun community, while Catie is just politically biased.

OK, this guys done, what next?
 
Up until his blog post, I considered Jim Zumbo a friend and colleague. You may not be a "gun guy" — and Jim and I have certainly talked about that very subject in the past — but he has crossed a critical line here. He has willingly allowed himself to be a position to be used by our enemies.

He is not just another guy with an opinion! Neither am I and neither is my friend Tom Gresham (Who is 100% behind black rifles! He and I have done classes together, and he can outshoot me with an AR...at least when we get outide of touching range!).

We all have major national platforms, and that makes our words more than just a simple opinion.

I have said it on my blog and I'll say it here:

Jim...apologize...now...

Or face the consequences.

Michael B
 
This is just an example of two things:

1) the firearms "community" is VERY fragmented. You've got the duck hunters, the deer hunters, the skeet shooters, the trap shooters, the rifle plinkers, the rifle target shooters (benchrest, high-power, silhouette, CMP-type, etc., etc.), the guy who has one in the corner of his kitchen in case there's a rabid skunk, etc., etc. Then there's the pistol community, which may be even MORE fragmented.

And nobody thinks much of the other guy's idea of a gun. Sigh... Heck, a lot of THR's "self defense" crew (one of the bigger factions here...) probably don't really like blued steel and black walnut... But paint something black, and stick some carbon fiber on it, and they're all over it. Guys... It's ALL good...

And don't even get into the folks who I would NOT want on my jury... "Well, if the police arrested him, he must be guilty, right?"

2) We get our knowledge from the media. And we don't know squat about how to manipulate it. Anti-gunners DO KNOW how to do this. They do it every day.
 
I can't believe that there are some here that "somewhat" agree with him. Where does the 2ndA. talk about hunting again?
 
OT for the moment...

CDignition..Where do I send the bill for cleaning the coffee off my Monitor and keyboard? Your Sig line is hilarious.

I used the sponsor list and sent the email out and further forwarded the list to several buddies who will do the same and send it on.

We have enough problems with idiots doing stupid things with guns and they don't care about anyones rights, we don't need those from within shooting us in the foot, weed them out of our house and once that is secure, maybe we can bring our entire focus onto protecting our rights.
 
I think Zumbo was also refering my sks also a "terrorist rifle" because its semi-automatic and uses the same round as a AK.
And by the way I will get a AK later this year.
He is a fool and he will never get any aid from me.
 
Mr. Zumbo seems to have forgotten the words of a famous American patriot, which I believe apply in any case of schism within the firearms owning community: "We must all hang together, or we shall most assuredly hang separately."

Michael Bane and Tom Greshem, good to see you guys involved.
 
There has been response already directly from the top at Remington..heres the links:

http://www.snipershide.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=98841&page=1#Post98841
http://www.snipershide.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=98795&page=1#Post98795

Synopsis:


ALL - Jim Zumbo in NO WAY speaks for Remington! His opinions are his own. We at Remington take our 2nd Ammendment Rights extremely seriously and ourselves market and manufacturer a AR based 308 rifle. Remington Arms supports the lawful use of all firearms by thier owners in whatever legal manner they choice. We are Remington feel that it is the diversity of our tastes and uses of fireaems that should also be the binding element that assists us all in defending the rights granted to us by our fore fathers.

Rest assured that remington not only does not support jim's view, we totally disagree! I have no explaination for his perspective.

I proudly own AR's and support everyones right to do so!

What makes me sick is how quickly people on the internet have called to boycott remington. All Jim said was he was hunting with our people! This is normal course in our industry. How else do people think we field test? with writers.

Remington has spent tens of millions of dollars to defend your rights and how quickly the thanks is threat and boycott! Please feel Free to post that remington does not agree with Zumbo in any way shape or form and we will assess our relationship with him accordingly.

Tommy Millner
CEO and President

I just recieived this responce from Gregory Baradat at Remington.

Nervous



ALL – rest assured that Mr. Zumbo does NOT speak for Remington! Most of you I am sure know that we ourselves market and sell a AR based 308.



I am forwarding this issue to my Military Product Manager ASAP









V/R

Gregory Baradat

MSG (R) USSF

Military Products Representative

Remington Arms Company Inc.

253-503-7129 (Office)

253-380-2850 (Cell)

253-267-5165 (Fax)
 
I really appreciate Remington's fast response. But in fairness, look at what Zumbo wrote:

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms

This name dropping, plus Zumbo's association with Remington, strongly suggests he is aligned with Remington. It now appears that neither Stevenson nor anyone else at Remington knew what Zumbo was writing.
 
So . . . what is the goal here?

Destroy Zumbo?

Destroy Remington?

Explain this issue to Zumbo and have him come around? (What fun would THAT be?)

Use this as a prompt to engage in outreach to all aspects of the shooting community?

Man, gun owners do eat their own, and relish it.
 
Tom ~

Good questions.

My personal goal would be to frighten all outdoors writers and magazines into not repeating Zumbo's error.

We don't need turncoats & traitors muddying the waters and destroying the message, in this AWB-renewal battle.

pax
 
the main goal here is to weed out the people who have a soapbox and aim to wreck it for us. This Zumbo dosent deserve a fanbase, nor any kind of contract or the job of writing a column that alot of folks will read.
 
I don't want anyone destroyed, but I do think it is time for Mr. Zumbo to retire. He has no business being in his current position when he admitted his beliefs were based in ignorance.

Remington does need to withdraw their support of him. He has shown his true feelings on the matter. Any apology will only be a product of pressure from his financial backers.
 
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