Before NCIC, the local PD checked ser. #'s against their list of hot guns for the shop I worked at. I got a good deal on a S&W M19 when it came up clean at the PD, but the shop still wouldn't buy it.I'd still like to know how many members here actually live in a place where the local police WILL call in an NCIC check on a gun you're thinking of buying. Lots of people mention it, but I don't think that's as common as we're lead to believe.
Calling the ATF isn't going to do anybody any good. They don't run the checks, the FBI does. And neither one is going to do anything at all (of this sort) for a private individual.
If the "pawn" guy is giving you $100 for it when a gun store would give $200 im going to the gun store. Last time i seen him he had a nice Winchester shotgun he gave someone $80 for and online value was like $300. What im getting at is why would someone call a buy and sell number in the news paper to flip a gun and take the lowest price possible. either its hot or the person has no clue what they have. Now i would call a buy and sell ad to sell a chain saw but never a firearm. the thought would never cross my mind. I would visit gun shows, gun shows, call friends, etc before calling some new paper ad. The guy did have glocks that he gave people $100 for in a loan or purchased and sold them for $200. to me that screams hot gun if someones letting a glock or any handgun go for $100, again to a news paper pawn shop.What? No way. A gun shop is buying your used gun to turn a profit on it. There's no way they'll pay you more than a portion of it's current market value. Person-to-person sales are always the best way to get good money out of a gun.
Example: A used Glock is, let's say $400 in the local dealer's case. You walk in with your identical used Glock, he's going to offer you between $200-300 for it because he's got no interest in it beyond selling it to the next guy and pocketing the difference between what he paid and what he sold it for. Not worth it if he's going to give you market price and sell it for market price.
Your neighbor sees he could buy a used Glock for $400 from that dealer, plus pay transfer fees and sales tax, so call it $450. But he could buy yours for $375 or even $400 and get a much better deal while you pocket maybe twice as much cash.
NOBODY goes to a gun shop to sell a used gun and expects to get a good price for it. Private sales are the only way to go unless you're trading it on something else or you really just don't care about the money.
simple phone call doesn't hurt or cost anything.I'd still like to know how many members here actually live in a place where the local police WILL call in an NCIC check on a gun you're thinking of buying. Lots of people mention it, but I don't think that's as common as we're lead to believe.
Calling the ATF isn't going to do anybody any good. They don't run the checks, the FBI does. And neither one is going to do anything at all (of this sort) for a private individual.
Ok, sure, but I've never heard of anyone running an illegal informal pawn business before and you certainly can't advertise that. However people can and do list guns for sale in classifieds all day every day week in and week out.If the "pawn" guy is giving you $100 for it when a gun store would give $200 im going to the gun store.
Ok. But if he's running an illegal pawn operation that might make sense. But how does he even advertise this illegal pawn deal without getting busted?Last time i seen him he had a nice Winchester shotgun he gave someone $80 for and online value was like $300.
See above. If this shotgun is only $300 new, it's practically worthless to a dealer as a used item. Many will flat out tell a seller that they aren't interested at all, or low-ball with a number so low that they can't lose on it.What im getting at is why would someone call a buy and sell number in the news paper to flip a gun and take the lowest price possible.
Either one is possible. Only one of those two possibilities is actually illegal.either its hot or the person has no clue what they have.
Again, somehow you know a guy who is apparently running a completely illegal operation. Actually, completely illegal from two angles. One of which is the unlicensed pawn operation. The other is that if he's buying and selling guns this often making all these profitable deals, then he's clearly operating as an unlicensed gun dealer as well, which a serious federal crime. Could he be handling some guns that are stolen? Sure could. If that gets him investigated, it would be only one of his several big problems.The guy did have glocks that he gave people $100 for in a loan or purchased and sold them for $200. to me that screams hot gun if someones letting a glock or any handgun go for $100, again to a news paper pawn shop.
simple phone call doesn't hurt or cost anything.
years ago I worked on river patrol and it was not uncommon to find folks with guns on boats in the waterways, and every time we did we took control of said weapon, cleared the weapon then ran the SN# on every on of them can you imagine the look on their eyes if in came back stolen talk about a bad day, this is why I asked I would not want to be out and about with my family and find out I am toting around a hot gun when a simple check could of avoided this,Unauthorized use of NCIC is a crime punishable by up to 5 years and $250,000. That's a pretty big risk to ask any LEO to take to do you a favor
doesn't hurt to call them and ask and then find out they cant do it. I'm sure a lot of people on here don't have the knowledge of what the govt can and cant do but asking doesn't hurt. i guess now everyone knows don't bother any LE with our questions.What is a simple phone call? Calling the ATF and asking them to run a gun's serial number? Through a database they DON'T have? Have you tried this? What's the point if that's not a function they could or would perform?
Sure it's a simple phone call. Might as well call the FAA, the DEA, and the AFSCME as well. None of them will run gun numbers for you either.
years ago I worked on river patrol and it was not uncommon to find folks with guns on boats in the waterways, and every time we did we took control of said weapon, cleared the weapon then ran the SN# on every on of them can you imagine the look on their eyes if in came back stolen talk about a bad day, this is why I asked I would not want to be out and about with my family and find out I am toting around a hot gun when a simple check could of avoided this,
so I found a handgun I was interested in at a price I like G17 gen 4 on a local forum to me,
but the seller did not have the original box,or the back straps, or the 3 mags gust the gun, he also is on the opposite side of the state them me but said he was going to be in my area this weekend,
so I was going to do this but I also asked him if he was the original owner/buyer he said no he traded for it, OK so I asked him if he could give me the SN# before he came down to meet up so I can maybe have the SN# checked out to ensure this is a clean gun, he replied NO I dont give out the SN# , I did not feel good about this and backed out of the deal !!
1, Not original buyer
2. Traded into it unknown past
3. No factory box or factory stuff that came in box
4. Refused to give me the SN# before we meet up on a gun I was going to buy ?
What say you guys am I just paranoid ? something did not feel right to me so I backed out
I normally am good with private gun sales but for some reason this on kind of felt strange ?
would you all of made the deal or questioned the guns history first as well ?
People horse trade for guns all the time. If you worry about every used gun you buy being stolen, maybe you should stick with new guns. Virtually ANYTHING you buy used could be stolen property.