wacki
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Anti-gunners and the Brady campaign are notorious for creating fake gun-rights organizations that push for "reasonable gun restrictions". There's an organization in North Carolina that's mostly pro-gun but is sending form letters to the ATF supporting stricter gun control. These restrictions would require me to fingerprint and mugshot my entire family every time I want to purchase an AR15 lower to host barrel under 16 inches. Same rules apply for suppressors. For people that don't know, the primary holder of the trust goes through a background (NICS) check. If my family isn't on the Trust, then both my family and myself can be at risk of a felony if the ATF doesn't view myself as the person "in control" of my sub 16" barreled rifle at any point in time. This is according to gunTrustLawyer and several other unrelated lawyers anyway. Whatever the current mood of the fickle ATF is, I don't care. Just providing a reason why I care about the following question:
My question for people in North Carolina: Is this organization real or AstroTurf? Are they a major organization there?
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Even if the change applies to only adults, I really don't feel like dragging my better half to the police station every year to get mugshots and fingerprints.
Edit #1: Changed quote from offending sentence to full quote with single line in bold blue
Edit #2: Made it clear that it's the lower that's registered and not the sub 16" barrel.
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My question for people in North Carolina: Is this organization real or AstroTurf? Are they a major organization there?
Link....
In the matter of 27 CFR Part 479 docket number ATF 41P Part 479, RIN: 1140-AA43, Machine Guns, Destructive Devices and Certain Other Firearms; Background Checks for responsible Persons of a Corporation, Trust or Other Legal Entity With Respect to Making or transferring a Firearm:
We agree with the ATF proposal requiring fingerprints and mug shot of all adult applicants or responsible party of a trust or LLC acquiring NFA firearms. The above process would ensure that NFA firearms are not acquired by any prohibited person(s).
That being said, we are opposed to any expansion requirement mandating CLEO certification as outlined within the docket. The simple change in verbiage proposed by ATF, in our experience would not encourage CLEOs to process applicant paperwork; as there are too many perceived liabilities, political, and professional ramifications associated with NFA firearm acquisition. These perceptions have resulted in a measureable decrease of CLEO endorsed transfers, which has attributed to the explosive popularity of Trusts and LLC NFA applications.
The resources available to ATF/NFA including but not limiting to NCIC, TECS, NLETS, III, and NICBCS databases more than adequately ensure that all applicants are fully screened. If any CLEO involvement were required by ATF/NFA the only acceptable process should be CLEO notification post procurement.
This could be accomplished by requiring the successful application to provide the CLEO with a copy of the federal transfer paperwork, or by requiring the name and address of the CLEO being listed on the application form. This name and address would allow ATF/NFA to mail a copy of the applicant’s form to said applicants CLEO upon successful execution of the transfer.
Respectfully,
Even if the change applies to only adults, I really don't feel like dragging my better half to the police station every year to get mugshots and fingerprints.
Edit #1: Changed quote from offending sentence to full quote with single line in bold blue
Edit #2: Made it clear that it's the lower that's registered and not the sub 16" barrel.
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