.358 Winchester?

Nature Boy · Dec 8, 2017

I have a new one. The ‘ol .358 win BLR took another one this evening.

Taken with my handloads using Sierra 225g Gamekings at 130 yards. Don’t know how he did it, but he managed to run 40 yards before going down

Here’s the entry and exit.

1stmarine · Dec 8, 2017

nice shooting. You got the leg. that little fellow was not going anywhere. But it doesn't seem like too much damage in the meat so that is nice.

hq · Dec 9, 2017

SwampWolf said:
I find it interesting that moose are called elk in many parts of Europe.

That's a result of moose being called elk in British english since Old English times. Moose is also "Älg" in Swedish and "Elg" in Norwegian and Danish and "Elch" in German, all of them referring to Alces Alces, moose in US english. To mix things up even more, US english elk - Cervus Canadiensis - is "Wapitihjort" in Swedish, "Vapiti" in finnish, "Wapiti" in German and so on, derived from Native American languages.

This can escalate to a real linguistic mess when a bunch of US and European hunters meet. The first time I brought a few of my US buddies to hunt moose in Finland they were briefed by the hunting club president, got understandably a bit confused about what's going on and it all culminated to a voice crackling on the radio an hour later... "That's no [honking] elk, that's a MOOSE, can we shoot those too?" (go right ahead, the nearest elk as you know it would probably be 4000 miles away and you're packing a rifle, not an intercontinental ballistic missile)

T.R. · Dec 9, 2017

Middle bore cartridges in general have not sold well to North American hunters. Why this is so is a mystery to me. I do not own a .358 because I already have a very good .308 rifle that has slain many animals for me quite well, indeed.

TR

Mr. Hill · Dec 9, 2017

Nice shot and good pics, nature boy.

Llama Bob · Dec 9, 2017

T.R. said:
Middle bore cartridges in general have not sold well to North American hunters. Why this is so is a mystery to me. I do not own a .358 because I already have a very good .308 rifle that has slain many animals for me quite well, indeed.

TR

You answered your own question. There's no real interest in the medium bores because the small bores do well in terms of terminal performance on the vast bulk of NA game, and are superior to medium bores in all other way.

The two animals that small bores have trouble with - the bison and great bears - are better addressed with large bores if you're concerned about stopping a charge. This leaves the medium bores without an obvious application at which they excel.

Walkalong · Dec 10, 2017

Llama Bob said:
There's no real interest in the medium bores because the small bores do well in terms of terminal performance on the vast bulk of NA game, and are superior to medium bores in all other way.

Wow, no love at all for medium bores. Here is a little medium bore love. (.35 Remington) Not that it matters a whole lot around here for deer hunting, so many calibers will work just fine.

Walkalong · Dec 10, 2017

Beautiful buck Nature Boy!

1stmarine · Dec 10, 2017

Walkalong said:
Wow, no love at all for medium bores. Here is a little medium bore love. (.35 Remington) Not that it matters a whole lot around here for deer hunting, so many calibers will work just fine.

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I like your rifle.
The 35 remington can also be pumped very hot with modern actions, brass and powders.
Buffalo bore offers some pretty wicked loads for this caliber.
...
Did anyone notice how much swiftly many of the the 35 and 375 calibers kill vs. smaller bores?
With cases like the 358 or whelen one ends up with magnum-like killing power but w/o the expense, heat and concussion of large magnums.
Ballistics are pretty decent with many bullets. The benefits I outlined in my previous post can be illustrated with many examples.

sharps59 · Dec 11, 2017

love my blr in 358 but have accuracy problems w it always did. just will not hold a group. groups move around open up.ive dismounted and remounted the scope nothing was lose. going to pull the scope again and check w the iron sights. see what happens. browning also said send it back and they will go thru it.

1stmarine · Dec 11, 2017

sharps59 said:
love my blr in 358 but have accuracy problems w it always did. just will not hold a group. groups move around open up.ive dismounted and remounted the scope nothing was lose. going to pull the scope again and check w the iron sights. see what happens. browning also said send it back and they will go thru it.

Don't assume it is the scope but it is a good thing to try.
Make it group at 50 yards with irons first but also check headspace, crown, bore or any other signs that could indicate something is interfering with the accuracy.
Try different ammo brand/ loads too.

someguy2800 · Dec 11, 2017

I have always found the 358 winchester and 338 federal very interesting. I've wanted one ever since I found out they exist. I have a spare savage action that I am considering building in one of the two. Those 7600 pumps and BLR's you guys have been posting look real nice as well.

Black Frog · Dec 11, 2017

I've been looking for a donor Rem 7600 pump in 308 or 243 to rebore up to 338 Fed. I've done a couple up to 358 Win, and thought doing one in 338 Fed would be fun.

So I've had my eyes open looking for a pump to use for this project, trying to avoid buying it new. Used 308 pumps don't seem to show up that often. Even new ones aren't all that plentiful to find. There was a scratched up used synthetic 308 on GB recently that sold for around $460. Then add your shipping and FFL fees on top.

I happened to wander into a local store, and was surprised to see a sign on the counter.
They were blowing out their stock of synthetic 7600's (NIB) for $475. They several 270's and 30-06's, but only had one 308 left.
I'm too weak to resist that.....

someguy2800 · Dec 11, 2017

My dad has one in 243. Thinking mabey I should make him an offer on it.

Nature Boy · Dec 11, 2017

I have this box of 50 .358 200g Nosler Acubonds that are too long to fit my BLR mag. I’m afraid that the longer they sit on my shelf the more likely I will end up buying or building a bolt action .358 win or .35 whelen.

Please, someone PM me and take them off my hands before I do something stupid. I have no self control

1stmarine · Dec 11, 2017

Nature Boy said:
I have this box of 50 .358 200g Nosler Acubonds that are too long to fit my BLR mag. I’m afraid that the longer they sit on my shelf the more likely I will end up buying or building a bolt action .358 win or .35 whelen.

Please, someone PM me and take them off my hands before I do something stupid. I have no self control

It reminds me of a few years back someone gave me some badger orderance steel rings and a few days later ended up with a brand new long range rifle to use them. lol

The force is strong.

sharps59 · Dec 12, 2017

1stmarine said:
Don't assume it is the scope but it is a good thing to try.
Make it group at 50 yards with irons first but also check headspace, crown, bore or any other signs that could indicate something is interfering with the accuracy.
Try different ammo brand/ loads too.

factory loads are not good. in it. crown is good bore is good. i reload so i'll playing w diffrent powders and bullet combos. using all 358 brass. have not checked head space. part of it i think is the barrel gets real hot real fast. to the point you don't want to touch it. so I fire a few then let it sit and cool. Checking w the iron sights is the next step. even though my eyes do not like iron sights. problem to is i get frustrated and quit. only good thing is i have my own range. bad thing its at my weekend place 3 hr drive.

1stmarine · Dec 12, 2017

sharps59 said:
factory loads are not good. in it. crown is good bore is good. i reload so i'll playing w diffrent powders and bullet combos. using all 358 brass. have not checked head space. part of it i think is the barrel gets real hot real fast. to the point you don't want to touch it. so I fire a few then let it sit and cool. Checking w the iron sights is the next step. even though my eyes do not like iron sights. problem to is i get frustrated and quit. only good thing is i have my own range. bad thing its at my weekend place 3 hr drive.

It will get hot like any other cartridge but not hotter than many others. In the end is a moderate case volume to bore volume ratio so while there is heat there is less heat concentration ahead of the chamber like it happens with
larger casings and magnums. It is very hard to diagnose via forum but the round is inherently accurate with quality bullets.
Hornady 200gr FTX has been very accurate with many loads.
Some folks get good accuracy with H4895 and some hate it.
Also try AA2230 and TAC. AA2230 is the same as Xterminator.

with ball powders you might want to try a hot primer to assure consistent ignition. Fed 215 is a good magnum primer but there are others.

sharps59 · Dec 28, 2017

1stmarine said:
It will get hot like any other cartridge but not hotter than many others. In the end is a moderate case volume to bore volume ratio so while there is heat there is less heat concentration ahead of the chamber like it happens with
larger casings and magnums. It is very hard to diagnose via forum but the round is inherently accurate with quality bullets.
Hornady 200gr FTX has been very accurate with many loads.
Some folks get good accuracy with H4895 and some hate it.
Also try AA2230 and TAC. AA2230 is the same as Xterminator.

with ball powders you might want to try a hot primer to assure consistent ignition. Fed 215 is a good magnum primer but there are others.

thanks ill print this and try again.

54Hawkin · Dec 28, 2017

the only way id own one is it were super cheap or gifted to me. My 30-06 can do most anything it can or at least all I need. Probably one of the reasons for it not being so popular.

54Hawkin · Dec 28, 2017

54Hawkin said:
the only way id own one is it were super cheap or gifted to me. My 30-06 can do most anything it can or at least all I need. Probably one of the reasons for it not being so popular. I I were get anythinh in .35 it would end with whelen, Norma or rem mag.

Driftertank · Dec 28, 2017

Orcon said:
...I'm pretty sure there was a guy that posted an AR-10 build here using the 358 Win.

That may be me you're referring to...

Meet Thumper. Its a 16" KAK Industry 1:12" stainless .358 Winchester barrel on Aero Precision M5 receiver, with 5.5oz buffer, Sprinco Orange recoil spring, and Odin Works adjustable gasblock. Weighs almost exactly 10 lbs with a full 10-rd magazine.

I haven't gotten around to a lot of load development yet, but i have worked up one load that i found acceptably accurate so far. It's a 220gr Speer Hot-cor FP over 46.0gr H4895, for 2300fps. I could probably see better velocity from the 19" barrel KAK offers, but my goal was a carbine that handles like an AR-15 but delivers a MUCH more effective payload. I hope to work up a bit hotter load using a 225 Partition or Swift A-frame for use against the biggest and most dangerous game on this continent. I also think this would be one heck of a rifle for beatin the bushes for hogs.

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