Has anyone seen the new rifle from Vulcan?
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I just looked at their website, and they make a really nice Galil clone, and I'd probably start saving up to buy it right now if it were made by a company without such a reputation for crapitude.
I especially wouldn't get near a Vulcan rifle spitting out .50 BMG...that's destined to fail and asking for Scattered Remnants.
I especially wouldn't get near a Vulcan rifle spitting out .50 BMG...that's destined to fail and asking for Scattered Remnants.
I saw that galil too. It was great. exactly what Im looking for but Im not about to spend 2 grand on one. ESPECIALLY a hesse. If it was made by vector, or bobcat Id still not want to pay 2 grand. It shouldnt even be 1 thousand.
No experience with Vulcan or Hesse but, I am plenty happy with my Ar-180B.
FabulousFink, Afaik Armalite never released their upgraded Ar-180.
Ascot500, check out www.stormwerkz.com for some Ar-180 accessories, including a scope mount that uses a picatinny rail.
FabulousFink, Afaik Armalite never released their upgraded Ar-180.
Ascot500, check out www.stormwerkz.com for some Ar-180 accessories, including a scope mount that uses a picatinny rail.
DougW
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Not to fuel the fire over Hesse/Vulcan, but the attached pics are of a Hesse AR reciever that belongs to a friend of mine. He finished the build, and had to travel, so he allowed me to do the test shooting. This reciever failed after the second round I fired. Not the second magazine or case, the second ROUND. The build was done with all new lower parts and an existing upper. There were no goofey components or junk involved. The owner has about 5 other AR's, and experienced in building, since he has built them all.
Hesse required the whole rifle be returned to them before they would comment on making a warranty adjustment. The owner refuesd to send the whole rifle, since only the reciever was bought from Hesse (through Fulton Armory, I think). This was about 3 or 4 years ago, but the reciever resides in Dallas, Texas, and would be available for anyone that wants to examine it. Bottom line, no warranty at all!
Here is what happened at the range:
Specifically, when I shot the rifle at Gibson's Outpost (SE Dallas), I loaded only 3 rounds in the magazine. I did this to make sure that if something went crazy with the FC group, the rifle would not go full auto on a full mag. First round was fine, but felt funny, like the rifle was tight. The second round fired fine and the action cycled, and then I found the rear sight against my glasses, and something falling into my lap. I first thought the stock came off, but realised after seeing the back side of the lower still attached to the stock. I looked up at the back of the upper with the bolt carrier in front of my nose, a locked bolt on a live round, and my finger off the trigger (fortunately).
I hit the safety, and pulled the bolt charging handle, which ejected the shell, and pulled the bolt carrier and handle all the way out. I re-cased the "rifle" and took it back to it's owner when he got back in town.
Anyway, you descide. Maybe Vulcan has done better, but the origional Hesse company doesn't hold as one of my preferred manufacturers.
Hesse required the whole rifle be returned to them before they would comment on making a warranty adjustment. The owner refuesd to send the whole rifle, since only the reciever was bought from Hesse (through Fulton Armory, I think). This was about 3 or 4 years ago, but the reciever resides in Dallas, Texas, and would be available for anyone that wants to examine it. Bottom line, no warranty at all!
Here is what happened at the range:
Specifically, when I shot the rifle at Gibson's Outpost (SE Dallas), I loaded only 3 rounds in the magazine. I did this to make sure that if something went crazy with the FC group, the rifle would not go full auto on a full mag. First round was fine, but felt funny, like the rifle was tight. The second round fired fine and the action cycled, and then I found the rear sight against my glasses, and something falling into my lap. I first thought the stock came off, but realised after seeing the back side of the lower still attached to the stock. I looked up at the back of the upper with the bolt carrier in front of my nose, a locked bolt on a live round, and my finger off the trigger (fortunately).
I hit the safety, and pulled the bolt charging handle, which ejected the shell, and pulled the bolt carrier and handle all the way out. I re-cased the "rifle" and took it back to it's owner when he got back in town.
Anyway, you descide. Maybe Vulcan has done better, but the origional Hesse company doesn't hold as one of my preferred manufacturers.
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DougW
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DPMS used to use cast lowers, but now all their lowers are forged. I've got several thousand rounds through mine with no problems whatsoever.
It's too bad Vulcan has such a bad rep. They are a local company and I'd hoped they would build a good product.
It's too bad Vulcan has such a bad rep. They are a local company and I'd hoped they would build a good product.
Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but I had to share my experience today at a local gun store. Until this point, I was really impressed with this particular gun store.
So I'm wandering about the store, and I see this.... thing... that looks rather interesting. Looks kinda like an HK G3.... But not..... Still can't really figure it out.... I pick it up and it weighs a ton and a half. Granted, that's partly because of the tacticool bipod and quick release scope on there. And then I look at the side of it. Hesse.... I have no idea what this company is, but it's obviously a G3 clone. So I ask the guy in the shop what he can tell me about it...
"Oh, it's basically an HK G3, made with all HK parts, but assembled by Hesse". Ok, I'm interested. It's priced at $799... 1/2 to 1/3 of the price of an HK according to gun shop guru there... Little warning light comes on, but I'm interested still interested, but more cautious. OK. Now I'm really interested... I let him know I'm gonna run home and do some research, and he's praising how good this gun and manufacturer are. And I ask him again, clarifying that this is an HK part rifle with a Hesse receiver. "Yup" says he... "Same quality as HK, 1/3 the price..." By now my bull**** detector is starting to peg, and that little warning light has gone from a little LED to a half-million candlepower spotlight. So I figure I'll look up "Hesse guns" on ye olde Google. First hit is for this thread. And now I'm *really* glad that I walked out of there with my wallet still in my pocket. And I may call the owner of the gunshop up and let him know that if his employees are taking the responsibility for recommending a potential grenade that might blow up in one of their customer's faces, they may want to up their liability insurance a bit....
So I'm wandering about the store, and I see this.... thing... that looks rather interesting. Looks kinda like an HK G3.... But not..... Still can't really figure it out.... I pick it up and it weighs a ton and a half. Granted, that's partly because of the tacticool bipod and quick release scope on there. And then I look at the side of it. Hesse.... I have no idea what this company is, but it's obviously a G3 clone. So I ask the guy in the shop what he can tell me about it...
"Oh, it's basically an HK G3, made with all HK parts, but assembled by Hesse". Ok, I'm interested. It's priced at $799... 1/2 to 1/3 of the price of an HK according to gun shop guru there... Little warning light comes on, but I'm interested still interested, but more cautious. OK. Now I'm really interested... I let him know I'm gonna run home and do some research, and he's praising how good this gun and manufacturer are. And I ask him again, clarifying that this is an HK part rifle with a Hesse receiver. "Yup" says he... "Same quality as HK, 1/3 the price..." By now my bull**** detector is starting to peg, and that little warning light has gone from a little LED to a half-million candlepower spotlight. So I figure I'll look up "Hesse guns" on ye olde Google. First hit is for this thread. And now I'm *really* glad that I walked out of there with my wallet still in my pocket. And I may call the owner of the gunshop up and let him know that if his employees are taking the responsibility for recommending a potential grenade that might blow up in one of their customer's faces, they may want to up their liability insurance a bit....
nwilliams
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"Presently there is one other manufacturer of an AR-180 and their uses a proprietary scope adaptor - not a universal Weaver mount."
Ascot500, that is the OEM mount of original AR180. but [current] armalite did make a handgaurd with a rail on it. dunno if they still do.
gunnie
Ascot500, that is the OEM mount of original AR180. but [current] armalite did make a handgaurd with a rail on it. dunno if they still do.
gunnie
I'm just getting ready to finish off (as finished as they ever get anyway) my first AR. I'm thankful someone clued me in on Vulcan/Hesse/Blackknight as I came -this- close to buying one of their rifle kits.
I was told that most of what they sell was Vulcan/Hesse stuff.
I couldn't swear to it on a stack of Bibles, but as their carbine kit was almost $100 cheaper than most of the others I looked at it seemed pretty likely.
I couldn't swear to it on a stack of Bibles, but as their carbine kit was almost $100 cheaper than most of the others I looked at it seemed pretty likely.
I have no idea whether or not Black Knight is associated with Hesse. However, this is what Hesse does:
They sell crap under one name and, when the returns and the customer rantings and the lawsuits and the calls to the BBB get to be too much, they change their name to something else. I don't think they have a "group", which makes it sound like they're some sort of elite weapons-making conglomerate like FN. They're just one inept company that is actively on the run from its reputation.
Mike
strangelittleman
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Oh, I don't know, the Vulcan guns are just fine for a suicide bomber, all he'd have to do is run at people firing it until it explodes...that way he doesn't have to worry w/ those pesky bomb belts..sometime they don't detonate but the Vulcans are assured to detonate.......HAHAHAHA!
This is the best resurrected thread EVER! I've never laughed so much.
Maybe one day I'll catch a glimpse of the elusive rifles... and laugh at it. But from a distance, because I don't want to get shrapneled (a word?).
Maybe one day I'll catch a glimpse of the elusive rifles... and laugh at it. But from a distance, because I don't want to get shrapneled (a word?).
I'm not willing to accept the personal liability. I'd probably get named in the lawsuit when it blows up and wounds 6 bystanders.
-- John
Somebody posted this picture of Vulcan/Hesse/Blackthorne handiwork in another thread. I think it captures the quality nicely.
As Mr Roberts has pointed out, it's "Blackthorne", not Black Knight. Although Black Knight would be funnier.
I've had a Century FAL built on a Hesse FAL-H receiver (supposedly the worst FAL and maybe the worst firearm ever made although I doubt it compared to that French POS machine gun from WW I) since 2001. This gun has shot thousands of rounds of surplus ammo and commercial 308 (Radwaqy green, Portugese, South african, american eagle etc.) and has alway worked perfectly. Its Accurate, realiable and a real pleasure to own.
No, its not as pretty as a DSA or FN-FAL. But I'll tell you what, you buy the ammo and come to Miami and I'll definately put this gun up against any other FAL and I think anyone that listens to the errornet BS will be the ones surprised at its performance.
No, its not as pretty as a DSA or FN-FAL. But I'll tell you what, you buy the ammo and come to Miami and I'll definately put this gun up against any other FAL and I think anyone that listens to the errornet BS will be the ones surprised at its performance.
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