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joepmo

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Hi Fellow High Roaders

Need some advice. Situaton is as follows.

Over the past year I have returned to shooting at th behest of my 17 year old son who reminded me last summer that I have been promising to take
him for 3 years. I joined a local club that I have been to for the last 30 years off and on and have acquired about 10 new guns over the last year.

I have 3 kids agege 20,17,16 all of whom I have had to the range and taught safety rules of handlnig firearms. I have a somewhat anti-gun wife.:(

Primarily I shoot with the 17 year old son, who shows most interest and we usually get out a couple times a month. About a month ago in the heart of the panic, I acquired a Daniel Defense custom build, which I proceeded to take to the basement but not put in the gun cabinet.

Been researching safes but not quite decided yet. In addition as we come back from range from time to time I have not always been securing firearms in cabinet. I felt that children (note ages above) had been properly trained. For discussion sake, and without going into detail let me share that we do not have guests in our home. That being said, yes I realize failing to secure was not a responsible action.

Long story short, yesterday wife contacts me at wok and tells me the 17 year old son has posted the attached picture for his Skype profile. Wife
proceeds to lose it, invoking NewTown, etc. I looked at the picture, said I didn't know when he took it, but that I would talk to him about it. Of course I look to see if rifle is pointed safely and finger off trigger.

I explained to him that picture didn't bother me as much as I was disappointed that rifle was handled without permission. I also explained not everyone views firearms the way we do and he needed to be careful about what he posts for others to see. Seems that some sort of privilege revocation would be in order. Mind you in 4 months he will be 18 and could just go out and buy his own rifle.

Well my reacton did not sit well with wife. She is absolutely in horror that he would post the pic and is feeding off her friends about how dangerous
this was and could be construed as a threat. She is going on and on about how she feels unsafe and how I was not responsible and questioning how
many guns does a person need and insisting that son needs to see a counselor. :banghead:

I get it, and I accept that I misread my son's maturity level and trusted that he would not do something like this with an unsecured firearm. That is
my responsibility and the guns have now been all locked up. But I suppose where I differ from my wife is that I view what my son did as a minor lapse
in judgement and nothing more. Hell, if he calls me up in couple of years and says I want to grab some guns I would give him the keys. Somehow have
to figure out a resolution to this issue.

Welcoming any feedback and advice. Thanks.
 

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Moved this here as it looks to me like this is more of a training and rules issue than anything else.

Did you clearly articulate to your son that he was not allowed to handle the firearms with out supervision?

Not trying to pick nits, but his trigger finger needs to be indexed on the frame, not just hanging off to the side....
 
He was being a kid, and trying to look cool to his buddies. It seems that you are the one that missed the point that he was probably going to fondle your guns when you weren't home. In this age they take pictures and post them.

My advice, for what it's worth, is lock up the guns, make him take the picture down off any of the sites he may have posted it on, and make sure he understands that he broke the unspoken rule between you and him. That rule was that you trusted him in the house without the gun being locked and the keys in your pocket. You wanted to treat him like an adult and he proved otherwise.

Then maybe tell the wife you were wrong in trusting your son and it appears that he and you both made a mistake. No one was hurt, and your son is not a lunatic in need of counseling and neither are you. We have all been guilty of mistakes, our wives included. Then maybe discuss that she needs to stop being freaked out by something you and your son both apparently like to do. You mentioned that you were getting back into shooting. That means that you had stopped for some reason. I don't know what it was and you don't have an obligation to tell anyone on this forum why.

But, I had a friend once that found him a woman. Head over heals he was. Got married and had to give up hunting and she said she wasn't sleeping in the house with guns. He sold or gave them all away. He says he is happy, I think he is stupid. She still leads him around by the short hairs fifteen years later.

Women say they marry us for who we are, then later in life dislike us because we changed to please them, we can't win.

My advice and opinions are just that, mine. You don't have to subscribe to them. Good luck my friend.
 
OUCH

Most of the important points are covered by yourself AND the moderator.

BUT remember that there is a trace method for pic's [ I am NOT a puter geek ] and that there is a possibility that your 'location' is available to a web wise kid.

A REAL safe and one that is NOT in any manner/shape or form available to any in the house might but yourself .

AND make sure your wife fully understands this fact,the safe is SAFE !!.

I would never give up my RTK&BA,not even for the love of my life.

Freedom is kept by those that pay the price and hold it dearly,many died for this RIGHT.
 
I'm not in favor of any pics anywhere ...sorry. We just had a situation this past week here in NJ where a fellas home was raided by state authorities due to a pic of his son holding a rifle....the situation went rabid and they were even on Fox.....Gov. Christie is now resolving the issue.....No pics and no handlin' the guns unless dad is there. I raised 3 young men that way with no problems......respect for the firearms is always #1.
 
As always, I appreciate the honest feedback.

1) Yes a real safe will be purchased.

2) Perhaps I was unclear, but yes I agree that pictures were very indiscreet. I am very careful to whom I reveal my feelings about 2A and we do not need to invite anyone to come rob us. Pictures shared among friends are one thing, but not for the world.

3) Son knows he screwed up, especially when I explain in calm rational manner, not and not in a hysterical manner. We have had several nice conversations about it and he has owned up to his behavior.
 
You can re-train the kid,

The wife, well...... not so much

You have to ask yourself,even if you have been married for however long, how much more of your life do you want to spend with someone that does not support something that you obviously enjoy doing ?

A friend of mine spent 15-years with a woman,who hated hunting,firearms,and just about anything else he enjoyed doing,even when he bent over backwards to try and make it as interesting as possible for her, she eventually took her 1/2 and left...

I had a similar situation, my 14 yr old son was having a friend over to stay the night last fall, we had a couple friends over and were just outside the back door around the fire-ring when I saw the light in our bedroom turn on, so I ventured over to the window to find my sons friend holding my loaded LC9, (I had it between the mattress)

I freaked-out and slapped the storm window so hard it broke, and it scared the snot out of the kids, I ran inside and told my son to immediately hand over EVERY piece of electronics he owns,(phone,Ipod,X-box power cord, Tv power cord) and took the other boy home to his parents at 11:10 PM at night,
Whats dis-heartening was the other boys father, who didnt seem to think it was that big of a deal, because "they go shooting all the time"
I told him that his son needs some additional training from a COMPETENT instructor then, about how he NEVER should handle a firearm without an adult present,

I took great pride in teaching my children proper gun handling, and was amazed at how the other dad belittled the situation..

Needless to say, my son had to start gun training 101 all over again
 
Im a grand pa now and my son did the same thing in 98 when he was 18, he went into the safe and went into the woods alone. I jacked him up D I style, took away his car for a week, and proceeded to reeducate. It worked.
He went on to become an army pilot and flew Apache,s in Iraq.

Grand daughter at 7 tried to open a locked file cabinet to get her BB pistol, same deal, a major jack up, and the message was gotten.

Oh by the way , the wife is a shooter, and she outdid me in outrage and reeducation both times.
 
@ bikerdoc

I knew we had a great deal in common.

Children need love,even if it means they dont sit down for a day or so - yes old school is still the way to go on a few occassions.

And no I do not EVER approve of 'beating' a child.
 
Is she doesn't back down on her demand that your son see a counselor, then agree to take him to one, if she agrees to come along and participate as well.
 
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but what is going on with your wife that she thinks your son is on the verge of blowing a bunch of people away? I can understand her being upset, but suggesting her own kid need counselling for what is basically just a kid taking a cool pic of a very cool rifle is a huge and somewhat disturbing overreaction.

As far as punishment.... you make it sound like your son is pretty levelheaded. If thats the case, I would call it good and just tell him not to do it again. No reason to blow it out of proportion if he understands the situation.

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If your son really does need to see a counselor, then you should talk to your doctor about finding one.

Assuming there's no need for one, I sure as heck wouldn't send him to one just to make the wife happy. That could easily turn into the state becoming involved in your family's life. Not a good thing.
 
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