If you are going to pocket carry, you will be far happier with the PF-9 than the P-11. The P-11 is too large for pocket carry under normal conditions IMO - it is just too thick. Buy the PF-9, and later a P-3AT for when that is too big.
I love .25s! I have a Seecamp LWS25, a Colt Vest Pocket (1908), a PSP-25 (Browning Baby licensed copy) and would love to buy a few more. Enjoy - not every firearm needs to be for self-defense, even if that was its original purpose.
She would have been much better off with the Patriot 9 than the Patriot 380. No sense in buying a 9mm-sized pistol in .380 anymore with the advent of small 9mm+P capable pistols out there. If you are going for .380, go for something tiny.
Good inside info on the Kahrs - thanks. I see you get what I am saying as far as the niche the double stack would fill: a second or third gun for the carry battery.
Glad to hear your PM9 is working out for you - you deserved some good gun karma jocko. :)
It is a significant bit smaller than the PM9, not the same size. (P380 = 4.9"x3.9"x0.75" 10 oz vs PM9 = 5.3"x4.0"x0.90" 14 oz)
Unfortunately, I find the small pistols are the ones that get carried the most often. That means my life is potentially being protected by one most of the time...
Now if they would just come out with a double-stack version of the P-40!
That would be quite a 3 gun CCW threat/convenience combo: P-380, PM-9, and the DS P-40 (that exists only in my imagination).
It should be a very nice albeit expensive little pocket pistol. Give them a year to work...
Don't dry fire it, always use a snap cap. You can damage the breachface, firing pin, or firing pin screw, at least in theory.
Congrats on your P-11, the trigger will lighten up and smooth out a good bit as you fire it more.
I spoke with the High Standard guy at the SHOT show in February, and he explained to me how on the new-production Backup DAO with the large frame (9mm and up) that they were able to significantly lighten and improve the trigger pull. The bad news was that he said "the engineers" were not able...
Yes, they are now selling their formerly LEO-only flush fit 12 round mags to people in states where it is not prohibited. This makes the 69-series mags kind of irrelevant in a P-11; unless you own a 69-series Smith already, I can't see buying them. The stainless 59-series mags give 15+1...
The DAO is the one with the horrible trigger. I have a SA model and it is quite accurate considering the short sight radius and barrel. The safety is like a Browning Baby but not likely to brush off by accident. It also has a grip safety, BTW.
Taking it down is a real PITA, but putting it...
jondar, Kel-Tec now offers flush-fit 12 round magazines for the P-11. With either the 10 or 12 rounders, loading then unloading will loosen the springs up more than loading them and leaving them that way.
They seemed to have dropped the "+P" designation about the same time they joined SAAMI. Pretty hypocritical to be part of a industry standards organization that doesn't recognize a +P standard for .380ACP but sell it anyway. IMO, the story they told you was a bunch of BS, it was never over the...
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