1911-carriers: Hardball or JHP?

[Vern Humphrey]

I carry hollowpoints in my .45 and feel confident they will expand to nearly half an inch in diameter.

 

[10-Ring]

My 1911's have been fine w/ HP & ball ammo alike so, for my guns, it whatever is handy really works.

 

[PT-Partners]

I have to add and as several of the above mentioned "practice" ammo.

Hits count. Misses don't. Every miss has an unintended party, a lawsuit and more restrictive gun laws attached.

So from one who has investigated the "misses" and seen the consequences first hand.

Please take the time to practice. You will only get one chance.

 

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PT,
Good posts on above and #20.

Folks asked me for some odd reason how I voted.
I voted FMJ.

That said-
How raised - what you do

I am 52. I made my choices for CCW and such way back, back before many of today's guns, platforms, materials, and even calibers came to be.

Gun has to feed, extract, and if a semi- the mags have to work with the gun , being an integral part of the gun.
Best to shoot POA/POI, and many guns were designed to shoot certain loadings POA/POI.
Shoot the gun with the loading it was designed for.

Shot placement.
It does not matter if the gun, ammunition , holster or anything else is what every swinging Richard uses, if the gun won't run, the shooter cannot run the run, and the individual cannot quick effective hits - what good is all this?

JHP : Bone Stock Gov't Models of 1911s and Bone Stock Colt Combat Commanders, and Lightweight Commanders ran "Flying Ashtrays" from the get-go.

For those not familiar, these CCI loads had /have a Larger Cavity.

Guns were built right, to correct specs, and flat run out of the box!
They ran these CCI loads and other JHPs from 7 round USGI /Colt mags with dimpled followers.

Today we have 1911 "clones" that are built to take money to satisfy folks, many of whom are not shooters, instead folks that own a gun.

Now, we did not have computer generated graphic movies, video games and all when I was growing up.
I was raised into a industry.
One where shooting thru glass, car door and whatever was a real life concern, and one WE practiced.

Hardball. I carried hardball a lot as I might have to shoot through a one way mirror to stop an immediate threat.
I might have to shoot through my interior vehicle glass to stop an immediate threat, maybe even through a car door.

See, we had folks that liked to shoot at us, kidnap us and all sorts of fun stuff.
Don't tell me a .38spl lrn is wimpy. YOU sit in the driver's seat and let me shoot out your driver's side rear glass window and then tell me how "wimpy" that Explosion is .
The sound of incoming is "Whack" then you hear the bang.

I have shots lots of materials, as I had to know what may be incoming and therefore how to defend me, and I wanted to know what worked for me to shoot through a cabinet , a door, a mirror, to stop and immediate threat.

Will my bullet hit the BGs head, while he has gun on an employee, my wife, sales rep, or will it deflect, frag, and not stop the threat?

There is a vicious circle of buyer of marketing and marketing to buyer.

There is a Vicious circle of folks that NEED students to "teach" , and "train" doctrine, and students that NEED indoctrination and Matriculation into what is being bought and sold.
Some of this nothing but Money and Ego.

That will get me flamed. Flame on.

I have my belief system in so far as training, and quality instruction.
I run the other way as fast as I can from some trainers and students of these trainers.

Others have my utmost respect, both trainer and students.

When your butt is on the line, you had better know the gun, and it had better be an extension of YOU.

I respect Awerbuck.

I will not be at your gunfight - Awerbuck

 

[Rob96]

So far with my new Springfield Mil-Spec, I know it feeds standard Winchester JHP just fine. Odd thing is that with Corbon Pow'R Ball it stubs the first round into the feed ramp. Didn't have a caliper with me at the range to check the overall length of the rounds.