.308 reloading

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Quick question for experts here. I'm considering reloading as the cost of shooting match Black Hills is getting expensive.

Assuming I already had a lot of good Black Hills brass:

1st question: Using a SMK or similar match bullets in 168 or 175g, how much would it cost total (bullets, primers, powder etc) approx per round to reload?

2nd: What's the typical investment overall to buy the right equipment?

Thanks!
 
I reload using 175gr SMK, Varget, and Federal primers and it cost me $0.48 per round. This could be reduced some by buying online in bulk as most of I purchase my powder/primers locally at Sportmans Warehouse. The equiment cost is kind of tricky. You could spend as little as $150 for a Lee kit or you could just several times that for the nicer setups. I personally use the Lee Breachlock press along with Lee dies and have no complaints and i am shooting sub 0.5 min groups out of my Rem 700 SPS.
 
cost of the equipment aside, you WILL lower your cost per round.

figure IN the cost of equipment, plus the fact you will shoot more.. you might as well fertilize you lawn with BL-c2

and no, you don't have to go hog wild on a press.. a moderately priced O-frame like the RCBS or something similar would be fine.
 
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Figure $.20 to $.30 per bullet, $.02 to $.03 per primer, and about 160 loads per pound of powder (you do the math). Figure several hundred dollars for a good reloading setup. You will save money, but what you save will be quickly eaten up because you will shoot more. Bottom line: you will pick up a new hobby.

Don
 
I don't think you can reload "match" ammo with a Lee kit. You would probably spend $500 in equipment to get high quality ammunition.

Match seating dies are about $100+.

Quality "O" frame press, $100+.

Concentricity gauge, $100.

Scales/Powder measure, $150.

Trimming tools, priming tools, case prep, manuals..$100+.

Just a guess though. I am sure you don't have to buy the "best" equipment, however, it usually leads to buying instruments that manipulate ammo to a finer degree. It might be a toss up.

Have you ever planned a project only to find out the actual cost is double plus 10% the initial investment. Reloading quickly adds up and HANDLOADING is very expensive.
 
Agreed! If you want the match grade ammo you going to have to spend some money on equipment. $500 sounds about right to get started, but you will be able to build better ammo then Black Hills can produce for your gun.
 
...but you will be able to build better ammo than Black Hills can produce for your gun.
I dunno.... BH somehow produces incredibly accurate mass-produced ammunition in my two ARs and M1A.

(Yes, I can (and do) do better. But give the devil his due.) :evil:
 
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For about 160 rounds( one pound of powder) I spend $5 dollars for primers ,$22 for powder and 40 dollars in bullets ( 168 gr Sierra matchkings) for a total of $67 dollars or 41 cents a round.
Blackhills I assume is about 2 dollars a round.

Powder at gunshow was 22 dollars a pound ( H4895) and 30 dollars for 1000 primers.

I got the RCBS Master reloading kit and It has almost everything you need for about 300 dollars including a manual.
You will need dies and some other small tools so add maybe another hundred bucks.
If you buy cheap stuff you may have to get out and buy better equipment later and end up spending more.
 
Match seating dies are about $100+.
Concentricity gauge, $100.
Not necessary.

I have been reloading rifle ammo for 50 years with standard RCBS dies, and have had several varmint rifles over the years that would shoot one-hole groups at 100 yards.

It's doubtful any .308 "match" ammo is any more accurate then that.

rc
 
Thanks all for the feedback.

One comment on the quality of the BHA rounds. That's also what I was kind of getting at. On average, my gun is .5 MOA with BHA. Last time out, I shot a 1.5" group at 400. Just wondering if I'm going to be able to reload or "hand load" better than that, considering I have no idea what I'm doing on reloading?

Looking at the math, I'm going to have to reload at least 500 rounds after purchase of equipment (and bullets, primers, powder) to break even. 500 rounds is probably what I shoot per year in this gun.

I guess I'm on the fence on this still. However, I appreciate the feedback!
 
Rcbs rock chucker here. No concentricity gauge or neck turning. Half minute loads and better are very doable. Lee collet neck sizing dies are very affordable and work well. Forster and redding also make very good dies if you want to spend a little more there.

The Rcbs kit mentioned above is a great start, and definitely worth looking at.

Good calipers and the hornady LNL kit will help. This will let you measure the bullet/cartridge from ogive to base. MUCH more consistent than tip to base oal.

Projectiles, 178 amax is priced very well and shoots great. Works for targets and hunting for me. Usually runs around 29 dollars for a 100 box. Pulled 175 smks can be had for under 20 cents per pill when you find them. They shoot well in my experience, especially if you sort them.

Brass, once fired stuff is usually easy to find and pretty cheap. Federal is okay, but usually does not last long. Winchester is great for the price. Lapua brass runs 75 to 80 cents per case, BUT it is great stuff AND I have several batches with 9 loadings on them at moderate velocities. IMHO great quality stuff that lasts. Kind of mitigates the higher price tag.

Powder, Varget works for me. It is not very sensitive to temperature. BUT you can find surplus powders and load on the cheap if you want to. Just be sure to really work up your load, as any powder (especially surplus) can vary greatly from lot to lot.
Primers, CCI standards have worked just fine here. Havent seen a big enough difference with the match ones to make me want to buy them.

If you have the budget, consider a good chronograph. REALLY helps when developing loads so you can see if you are getting a good group AND good velocity spread/SD.

You wont save money. You will very quickly shoot up the difference lol. That said, your cost per round will go down a good bit, but you will need lots more rounds : ).
 
Not necessary.

I have been reloading rifle ammo for 50 years with standard RCBS dies, and have had several varmint rifles over the years that would shoot one-hole groups at 100 yards.

It's doubtful any .308 "match" ammo is any more accurate then that.

rc
I agree with RC, haven't been loading for 50 years but close to 40. I can get Sub MOA out of several factory rifles with standard dies.
 
I used an RCBS Partner press with a BR-30 measure (See pic) and carried my stuff in a cardboard box shooting Benchrest for a while. I eventually made myself a fancy box for my stuff and bought a little, shiny, cool, specialty press. I won using both set ups. ;)

You do not need 300, 400, 500, etc dollars worth of reloading stuff to load some great ammo. Seriously. :)
 

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Match seating dies are about $100+.
Concentricity gauge, $100.

Not necessary.

I do agree with RC that concentricity checks and match dies are not necessary. I also know human nature and know that you MAY spend what it takes to chase perfection. If that is the case, $500 is a drop in the bucket. Especially at today's prices. You could spend $500 in gas driving to all of the shops looking at gear, supplies, etc.


it usually leads to buying instruments that manipulate ammo to a finer degree. It might be a toss up.

Regardless if it works or not, many people who load for long range bench rest shooting pull out all the stops when being married to a caliber. I'm only saying, $500 is on the affordable side, but less than some spend, to building a dedicated handloading system. It is just as easy to spend $2000 or more. It only depends on how far you want to go to achieve your goal. The one rifle rifleman can be absolutely accurate and precise.

How do you make a small fortune in racing? Start with a large fortune!

Expect your component cost to be about a $1/round not including the investment in reloading.

If $500 is accurate, figure you could load 500 rounds for $1000. $2.00/round

If $500 is accurate, figure you could load 1000 rounds for $1500. $1.50/round

If $500 is accurate, figure you could load 5000 rounds for $5500. $1.10/round
 
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I started hand loading over 40 years ago. I've had many rifles shoot under .5 MOA and had no idea what a concentric gauge was used for ( well, that is stretching the truth a bit). But, it is not needed for most mortal folks. H3ll, we didn't even have chronographs back in the dark ages. The were available, but only gawds and magazine writers had them.

One of the most frustrating things you will find is buying a pound of X powder or Y bullets and find out in ten loads your gun just plain doesn't like them. You will find one rifle likes a particular load and another of the same caliber doesn't shoot well at all with that load.

It is an interesting hobby. Any savings in 'cost per load' will be consumed by the excessive trigger pulling required to find that one load that saves you money.

Ron
 
Well I started with the 308 loading 15 years ago and only had to add dies. My brother decided to get a setup and supplies to reload then also. His total cost for a Lee kit and supplies to reload 400 rounds of ammo that would shoot the size of a quarter at 100 yds was $135 out the door at that time. Prices have gone up some but the inexpensive dies and press kit are still a super deal. They will load accurate ammo just as well as the costly ones will. Do you know anyone at the range or club you may belong to that reloads? If you buy dies and consumable supplies they may let you use their press and teach you how to make some good ammo. I would do that if you lived near me for sure. At least then you will learn from an experienced reloader how to do it correctly. I am willing to bet your first few batches ammo will start out as good as what you are buying now either way.:D
 
Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308 @ 200 yards.

168gr SMK
3X fired Federal Premium Brass
Federal 210M primer
43.2gr Varget
2.825" COAL

These are being put together on the Lee Turret press, Lee Collet neck sizer, Redding seater. Use the double disk kit on the autodisk feeder to drop the rough charge, then trickle to weight on the Lee scale. I started with a kit from Kemph Gun Shop (online). I think all in all my reloading setup is ringing in at around $400 at the moment, all accessories accounted for. It doesn't cost a fortune to be a golf ball killer @ 300 yards. :)

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Note: I only got started reloading in March this year. Expect results, hands down.

~Mark
 
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