375 HH & 416 Rem

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I decided on a .375 H&H for Alaska and, possibly, Africa. I bought a Rem 700 XCR2 in .375 (Cerakote over Stainless Steel), had my go-to gunsmith free-float and skim bed the barreled action in a Bell & Carlson Medalist Sporter stock in Weatherby configuration. I decided on Leupold QR bases/rings for the two scopes I use: a 1.5-6x24 and a 3-9x40. I also replaced the X-Mark Pro trigger with a Timney, factory preset at 3.5 lbs.

It's a gem of a rifle! I'll use it for late season elk if I draw a tag (and I hope to with 2 preference points). It recoils about like a 12 ga. pump shotgun shooting slugs and has given me 1" 5-shot groups using Federal Premium ammo using 260 gr. Nobler AccuBonds. It will go to Alaska with me for fishing/hunting trips and to Africa if I get there again.

I agree that a .416 is a better choice for 3 of the big 5 but the .375 is all I'll ever need...if I can stop with just one.

Harry
 
For me the choice is simple. Make it a 375 H&H. Not that the 416 isn't as good or better but just because there is that famous reputation of the cartridge that it no doubt lives up to today. Ammo would probably be easier to locate if needed but I don't know that for sure.

Now in reality I'll likely never visit Africa for safari hence I'll probably never own either rifle as a result. If I do I should have enough time to set up a rifle or, at the very least, rent or borrow a rifle in country. I've done this before and things worked out fine except; when I got back home I just had to have a rifle like I used on that trip. Catch 22
 
Gosh, two great rounds.

I shoot a .375H&H, but wouldn't shy away from the RUM at all either. Lots of great loads out there for the H&H. I load all the way from 220gr lead loads over 35gr of SR4759 going 1300fps, all the way up to 250, 270, and 300gr Barnes full house loads going in the high 2000s fps.

Pay attention to what H&HHunter has to say; he's got a lot of gold to share (despite what his 470Nitro has done to his grey matter!).
 
Obviously H&H Hunter

is a popular guy on this website and some of you share his stories and information as the right way to go about things. Personally, when I see a guy with personal opinions like this, detrimental to other posters way of thinking and hinting that they are lieing about a subject, I have my own doubts. I've seen know it alls before on other websites. There are many ways to skin a cat. I'll respond to a couple things this guy has said concerning how I hunt. I personally don't keep stuffed heads because they are useless and expensive. I'd rather shoot culls or non-trophy animals both to get rid of game which is only useful for food. I really don't have to show off my hunting prowess to my friends and neighbors. They know all about me. Skins? Yes, I might just keep a leopard skin or I might just give it to a head man or PH as a present. I am now an old man, 75, and can't chase down game and don't feel like paying a PH, trackers, etc. to do it for me the next day so if I have any doubt about a shot I tell the PH to either fire at the same time that I do or shortly afterwards to make sure that the animal is down and not running around in agony or maybe so pizzed off that he might kill someone in his rage. That's what the 1-2-3-Fire is all about. About this $40,000 to shoot two cull buffs and a old leopard, ridiculous. Round trip airfare to Zim is less than $2000, cull buffs are $3000 each and an tom will run you around $10,000. One week at $350 a day and tips won't go more than $4,000. That adds up to around $25 grand or a bit more. Well worth the trip. You can pay more and you could probably pay less depending on the camp and how you felt about your accommodations. Some of his comments that do not parallel his way of thinking sort of make me wonder about him. I won't go into some of his other comment about me or the way that I go about things. To those of you who kneel down with bated breath and slather at the mouth with everything he has to say, sorry about that.
 
Garrobo said:
is a popular guy on this website and some of you share his stories and information as the right way to go about things. Personally, when I see a guy with personal opinions like this, detrimental to other posters way of thinking and hinting that they are lieing about a subject, I have my own doubts. I've seen know it alls before on other websites. There are many ways to skin a cat. I'll respond to a couple things this guy has said concerning how I hunt. I personally don't keep stuffed heads because they are useless and expensive. I'd rather shoot culls or non-trophy animals both to get rid of game which is only useful for food. I really don't have to show off my hunting prowess to my friends and neighbors. They know all about me. Skins? Yes, I might just keep a leopard skin or I might just give it to a head man or PH as a present. I am now an old man, 75, and can't chase down game and don't feel like paying a PH, trackers, etc. to do it for me the next day so if I have any doubt about a shot I tell the PH to either fire at the same time that I do or shortly afterwards to make sure that the animal is down and not running around in agony or maybe so pizzed off that he might kill someone in his rage. That's what the 1-2-3-Fire is all about. About this $40,000 to shoot two cull buffs and a old leopard, ridiculous. Round trip airfare to Zim is less than $2000, cull buffs are $3000 each and an tom will run you around $10,000. One week at $350 a day and tips won't go more than $4,000. That adds up to around $25 grand or a bit more. Well worth the trip. You can pay more and you could probably pay less depending on the camp and how you felt about your accommodations. Some of his comments that do not parallel his way of thinking sort of make me wonder about him. I won't go into some of his other comment about me or the way that I go about things. To those of you who kneel down with bated breath and slather at the mouth with everything he has to say, sorry about that.
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Garrobo,

The average daily fee in Zimbabwe for a DG hunt ANY DG hunt is running in the $1200 per day range. Buffalo trophy fees are $5000 per head not almost not average the government mandated trophy fee is running $5000 per head. I've seen leopard going for about $10,000. A leopard/buff combo hunt will be a 14 day minimum.

Would you like me to recheck the math for you here?

Oh and btw you don't have to "pay" a PH (congrats on getting it right this time PH, not PA) to go track your wounded game the next day. They do that as part of your daily fee no extra charge. ANYBODY who has actually hunted Africa would of course have known that.

Your story has more holes in it than that 123 party shot buffalo you speak of.
 
I like the .375 H&H Mag since it's a practical round for general use in North America (H&Hhunter told me so :D) and I shoot mine fairly well out to 450 yards. I shot a mule deer with it last year and will use it again for mule deer, whitetail and elk this year. As for the .416 Rem Mag, how about throwing the .458 Lott into the mix? I'd like to buy a Caprivi either in .458 Lott or .416 Rem Mag at some point and am leaning towards the .458 Lott since I like belted magnums.
 
MCMXI

If you like belted rounds you are in good company with either the .416 Rem or the .458 Lott. Both are based on the .375 H&H case.
 
H&Hhunter said:
If you like belted rounds you are in good company with either the .416 Rem or the .458 Lott. Both are based on the .375 H&H case.
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Duh! :eek: Not sure what I was thinking .... of course the .416 Rem Mag is belted. Thanks for the reminder.
 
Unless i was hunting a lot in thick jesse bush or long grass country that had a population of elephant. I'd look real hard at the .416 vs the .458 Lott. The .416 is a heavy hitting general purpose DG round. The .458 Lott is a stopper.

So says the man who owns two .458 Lotts a .470NE.:)
 
H&Hhunter, your advice is very helpful to those that are planning on going to Africa to use these rifles for serious work. My plan is a lot simpler in that I intend to work up a load (Barnes bullet), maybe shoot an elk with the rifle and then hang it over the mantle piece to look at and occasionally shoot. For that reason, my decision will be based entirely on the the appeal of each cartridge from the perspective of my intended use. The 416 Rem Mag seems to be fairly close to the .375 H&H and certainly a lot closer than the .458 Lott so the latter is still ahead by a nose. :D
 
Owning a rem 700 in 375Ultramag, there is no way I would possibly take that rifle anywhere near DG.
The round is excellent, the rifle cannot hold up to the recoil.
The stock - the SYNTHETIC (plastic) stock actually deformed from recoil.
Mag release spring cannot take the inertia of the round - after the first dozen shots - mag dump at triggerpull. Not very cool........
the extractor doesn't work 90% (don't know why -mine don't!! ).
I've fixed the rifle with a muzzlebrake, and a better stock/recoil pad, but the extractor ( that works on every other 700 I own/owned) needs help.
I solved my troubles with a styer in 376. I'll take it anywhere
 
I think the real difference in the two is conversation. If you want that extra round, get the .375. I'd pick the .416 because I'm an inveterate "bigger club" guy.
 
.375/.416/.458/.458 Lott all the same case diameter. If you can put 5 down in a .375 action you can do the same with all the others mentioned. Change the follower spring and you're in business.
 
I appreciate what you said about the 416 vs the Lott: I suppose in the situation you described bigger is very much better.
One thing not discussed so far that I thought would be is the relative ballistics of the two original rounds relative to the normal hunting distances for the kinds of animals hunted with them. Now elk in CO might need the 375 for distance (or the king of the elk carts because of distance!), but the other animals we're talking about are usually taken much closer. So, the bigger stick doesn't really lose that much. OTOH: for usefulness, the longer reaching gun is going to be 'better' in more cases since it will also do the job (the animal only gets so dead).
Thanks for bringing the conversation back on track and back on the forum...
Greg
 
I'll admit I don't miss the enthusiasm that I had at one time starting with the 338Win then the 375H&H culminating with the 416Rem. An acquaintance had two rifles a double and a bolt action in 458Win which I shot on occasion more or less to say I did.

When I decided to end my magnum experience the 338Win and 375H&H sold quickly. The 416Rem took extended period to sell. I think that the both 338Win and 375H&H had more of a North American application than the 416Rem.

Now being the present If it can't be done with a 30-06 I no longer want to do it. But if I were so inclined to do it again the 375H&H would be my choice with my limited experience as opposed to other individuals that have more dangerous game hunting experience than I.
 
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