A gripe on gun shops

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Only problem I really have is the gun stores that are also either pawn shops or sell a bunch of non-sporting goods junk in it.

Like I want to go into some dingy building full of numb-chucks and throwing stars to drop almost a thousand on a good gun. Crap like that draws in sketchy people I don't care to be around.
 
This thread has pretty much outlined the reasons I don't shop at local gun shops anymore. Except for one shop that I've visited while home in CO, all the local shops I've been to tend to be overpriced, dirty/rundown, and poorly stocked. At the same time, the employees tend to be rude and unpleasant.

If these local B&M stores want to compete with the large retailers and online sales, they need to change their business models. They need to stop competing on price alone. Not only is it impossible for a local shop to compete against the larger stores, but price isn't the only selector customers use when looking for a gun shop. I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable premium at a gun shop that created a had a knowledgeable staff with a decent selection of guns and accessories and that treated its customers with respect.

Until I find such a shop, I'll stick with online stores. At least I get a good price online.
 
If I have the money someday when I'm retired (if guns are even still legal 30 years from now) I think it would be kinda fun to own a gun shop. Not necessarily to make money, but more of a place to keep me busy and out of the wife's hair. Maybe sell just enough to break even and buy a few toys for myself. There's a small shop here that's like that - just an older gentleman and his buddies who hang out and drink coffee while talking about guns all day. It's a hoot stopping it to shoot the breeze with them.
 
It's actually 3-5% of the $407 selling price of the gun. So he'd make, what, $8?

I have no problem with surchages (which is actually a discount for cash)
How is it a discount for cash when the posted price is say $400 you should pay $400 plus tax not a surcharge too.

I have a big problem with this I've been working in retail for 20 years 10 years as a manager and this is not good buisness. Why should I pay for thier costs. Nobody walks around with $500-$1000 anymore they use plastic. There is only one gunshop in my area that charges a 3% surcharge on CC purchases and 2% on debit. and I refuse to shop there.


Funny thing is their prices are already higher than their competiters.

They also have the attitude than if they don't sell it it's garbage.
To me costomer service is everything if you are nice, friendly, knowledgable, and offer a good price....I will buy from you all day
 
The beauty and reality of capitalism is it corrects and improves itself. The small ma and pop gun shops can evolve and compete... or go extinct. This ain't 1965. :rolleyes:
 
I go to places like Gander Mountain to browse around, handle the guns, but then I find them online. Even with shipping and transfer I can save upwards of $50 on every gun I've bought(sometimes as much as $200). It almost makes me sick to see what I could have bought some of my first pistols for online and seeing how bad I got ripped off.
Oh, my. Please don't do this. Maybe you should think about who is ripping off who.

From Buy Where you Shop by Tim O'Reilly:
Think about it for a minute: the retailer pays rent, orders and stocks the product, pays salespeople. You take advantage of all those services, and then give your money to someone else who can give you a better price because they don't incur the cost of those services you just used. Not only is this unfair; it's short-sighted, because it will only be so long before that retailer closes his or her doors, and you can no longer make use of those services you enjoy.
 
There is no way that a "mom and pop" store can compete with Mega-Mart on price. That is why there will only be Mega-Marts in the near future because we consumers will put up with all of their crap to get a cheaper price. What will we do when they decide not to sell guns anymore?
 
jimmyrarythomason,

You assume that a gun shop can only compete on price, but that is not true. These local "mom and pop" shops need to find other areas in which to compete, such as service and convenience.

I have a few friends who are extremely thrifty and often find it hard to accept that for some people its not always about getting the lowest price. For example, they will spend months scouring gun shows looking for a deal, usually settling for something less than they originally hoped, whereas I prefer to head straight to a shop and pay a premium for them to find the gun in the exact configuration that I want. Sure, I end up paying more now, but for me, the price premium is well worth not having to waste my time.

The point being that these local shops could do quite well by catering to the non-thrifty crowd. We are out there :)
 
I made no such assumption. If a shop cannot offer more than the big chain they certainly will go extinct. Since it is impossible to beat the big chain store pricewise, a small shop must offer service and/or expertise. Mega-store does not offer anything BUT price,no knowledge of product or anything else useful. When I buy a scope or mounts from my local shop,I can have it mounted and bore sighted there. Try that at Mega-Mart. BTW,there is nothing convienient about shopping at our local Super store.
 
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Sure you read comments going both ways on gun stores, but not having one close would not be fun. Nothing is better than being able to see what you are thinking about purchasing. This store gets beat-up too, but if you are friendly and pleasant, they will service your needs quite well. Huge inventory of everything and conducts all kinds of classes.

Just imagine how many people they deal with that are jerks, poor gun handling skills, etc.

I'm just a customer and will continue to be one.
 
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Fact of the matter is that the 'big box retailers' don't really offer better prices. From my experiences, the Gander Mtns and Bass Pro Shops that I've been to are actually worse than the mom and pop shops as far as prices go. I realize that it flies in the face of conventions and commonly held beliefs that they all operate on economies of scale. From my first hand experience, and by the volume of people chiming in on these 'gander mountain=bad prices' threads, I don't think the small retailers are going anywhere quite yet.
 
rockinrussky; our only gunshop in town is less than a mile from our Wal-Mart Superstore but much higher on arms and ammunition. I was in the market for a 7mm Rem.mag. about this time last year. The gun shop had a Rem.700 for $700 and a Savage 110 for $500(figures rounded off,not exact price) while W-M had the same rifles,exact same models for $370 and $340 respectively. They have (W-M) already driven the local hardware stores out of business,two drug stores and two furniture stores also gone. The story is the same, others will follow. Our town has a population of 6-10k people and W-M has been here since 1980. Their dominance is having it's effect. The superstore's prices are increasing as the competition decreases.
 
Gunshop owners are constantly bombarded with people telling them how cheap they can get the same gun online... oh, and would you please fax them your FFL so I can buy it cheaper than you can sell it to me?

Let me just ask one question. When your local gun shop goes under, from whom will you buy guns? To whom will you have your favorite online retailer ship guns to? When Wal-Mart quits selling ammo, from whom will you buy ammo?

Gunshops usually make single-digit margins on weapon sales. How excited to you expect them to be?

If you want a particular gun, go into your local gunshop and ask them to order it. If they aren't an expert in your choice of gun, so what? They cannot possibly be expert in every kind of gun - you're not, are you? They probably know a lot more about those they sell. They, like you, have their own reasons for liking what they like. Like you, they suggest what they like, not what they carry. They carry what they like.

If you want something they don't carry and they suggest something that they do as an alternative, don't be offended; they're in business. Besides you'll probably be in for them to work on whatever you buy and they'd rather work on what they know. So what if they offer you something other than your heart's desire. Get over it. Politely let them know you just really have to have the gun you want and ask how much deposit for the special order. And when they tell you, don't walk out of the store and come back next week asking the same thing about next week's drool. When they tell you how much deposit, whip out your checkbook and write a check. Or your credit card and tell them, "Yes, I understand there's a 3% charge." (Afterall, they have to compete with Internet pricing that does the same.) In any case, order the gun. If you don't order it, that means you didn't want it. And if you want to just compare prices between models, go to Galleryofguns.com or buds or something. If you want to buy a gun, go to your local gunshop.

In my most recent gun purchase (no, I do not work for or own a gunshop - or even know anyone who does other than from the counter in the shop) I paid less by walking up to the counter, asking how much, and making my deposit than I would have by ordering from the cheapest online price, paying shipping to the store, and paying their $25 paperwork fee.

Had the gun cost me 10% more in the local store, I still would have bought it from them. Quit quibbling over pennies.

*edit* I like to reverse the trend by letting those online stores provide me all of the information I need to decide on my next gun purchase but then don't spend a penny with them; I take all that free knowledge they gave me into my local bricks-and-morter gunshop and make my purchases. just my little bit of rebellion.
 
dalepres:

Everything you said was on the money. I learned a number of things from that post I had never considered.

Let me just ask one question. When your local gun shop goes under, from whom will you buy guns? To whom will you have your favorite online retailer ship guns to? When Wal-Mart quits selling ammo, from whom will you buy ammo?

That's actually three questions...but they're good ones - so who's counting?


Support your favorite gun store!
 
we only have like 3 actual gunshops here, and of the 2 I've been in, the workers were nice and friedly, the prices seemed average, and selection was about average too, so I cant complain. We also have at least 2 "pawn" shops that have big gun selections. the 1 have have been in has a pretty nice selection, the workers are great, the prices good, and they do the cheapest transfers I have found, so I have used them a few times.

sadly, the local milsurp only gunshop, while VERY cool to browse, with a very large selection of oddities,with a very nice owner, is HORRIBLY overpriced on guns.Still fun to look though, and ammo works out to the same price as online with shipping, so I get a lot there, just to cash and carry instead of wait for UPS.

We have a few big box places like walmart, big 5, and GI Joes that sell guns, but the counter people arent nessecarilly gun people, and seem generally clueless, so I dont bother with them at all.
 
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