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A gun in every house, or a sign on every lawn?

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A gun in every house, or a sign on every lawn?

By John McKinney
http://www.portjefferson.com/1edito...2-01&-token.story=62456.112114&-token.subpub=

A surprising op-ed article in support of guns caught my eye in the New York Times the other morning. The Times, determinedly in favor of strict gun control, once in a blue moon allows the other view into print, striving, I suppose, to re-establish its bona fides as a fair and balanced newspaper. So here was a piece by Glenn Reynolds, a law professor in Tennessee, reporting that the wild-and-woolly town of Greenleaf, Idaho recently passed an ordinance requiring citizens to own guns and keep them ready in their homes in case of emergency.

The piece was headlined "A Rifle in Every Pot" and carried, somewhat provocatively for the liberal Times, a subhead asking "What's Wrong With Encouraging People to Bear Arms?" I suppose the National Rifle Association ordered a couple million reprints.

Mandatory gun ownership may not be a bad idea, Prof. Reynolds suggests, citing the contrasting example of two other small cities. In 1982 little Kennesaw, Georgia, passed a mandatory gun ownership law, after another small town, Morton Grove, Illinois, enacted a ban on handguns. Crime in Kennesaw dropped sharply, Prof. Reynolds says, while crime in Morton Grove did not. Not surprisingly, burglars tell police they try to avoid houses where they are likely to encounter armed residents.

The Greenleaf ordinance is intended to bolster citizen preparedness in the kind of emergency that's likely to overwhelm law enforcement agencies. Armed citizens conducting neighborhood watches helped prevent looting in sections of Houston and New Orleans after they were struck by hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

Greenleaf's mayor guessed that probably 80 percent of local residents already own guns. But the gun-owning ordinance does send a message to potential malefactors that the pickings in Greenleaf might only be gained at personal danger to themselves.

As for Suffolk County, I had no idea how many local residents own guns, but I can tell you now the number is greater than I suspected. So is the readiness to use them. I sat at breakfast the other morning in a party of five men who'd gathered to discuss a book we'd read, Timothy O'Brien's powerful memoir of Vietnam, The Things They Carried.

After a while, given the subject, talk came around to guns. I was surprised to learn that three men at the table own handguns, and they are for protection, not target practice. One man said he sleeps with a loaded pump-action shotgun under the bed. "If anybody breaks into my house, they can take anything they want," he explained. "But if they come through that bedroom door where my wife and I are, I'm using the gun."

His words produced an echo for me. A couple of weeks earlier at a New Year's Eve party, I sat at a table that included two pistol collectors. Both stated they never hunt, actually dislike the idea, but regularly fire their weapons at shooting ranges, for sport. However, one said to me, grabbing my wrist for emphasis, if anyone threatened his wife or children, he'd use a gun on them. No hesitation, he added.

My curiosity aroused by these two incidents, I called the pistol permit office of the Suffolk County Police. A helpful lieutenant told me there are more than 95,000 legal handguns in the five western townships, licensed to around 28,000 individuals. (The Sheriff's Department handles licensing for the five East End townships.) No permit is needed for rifles or shotguns, so there's no telling how many long guns are under Suffolk County beds, loaded and ready. All that's needed to purchase a long gun is a quick background check showing you're not a convicted felon.

When burglars admit they shy away from houses known to have guns, maybe all that's needed is a little sign by the driveway. "Premises Protected by Smith & Wesson" might be effective. I've seen such signs in rural areas out West. But out there — especially in Greenleaf, Idaho — the signs aren't kidding.
 
Reynolds refers to Suffolk county, I gather that is in Tennessee. It seems you need a license to own a handgun. I remember reading that in Georgia you do also. How about other southern states? Is this a holdover from times when the local powers that be wanted to restrict blacks from owning guns? Maybe they still do?

No license needed in Montana, and private sales without paperwork are perfectly OK.
 
You DO NOT need a license to own a handgun in Georgia. We do have a Georgia Firearms License (GFL) that permits you to carry either open or concealed. Many folks mistake that for a license to own.
 
Well, the state I live in requires that you take a pistol safety course before applying for your pistol permit. I think it is a good policy.
Then you have to jump through another hoop to get your CCW. Which I think is a good policy.
I feel it takes a special mindset to carry a handgun on you. I do not want to but I shall if I have to. It means being knowledgeable and capable with your sidearm and knowing how to keep out of trouble in the first place.
Most of the people I took my pistol course with seemed like they had good heads on their shoulders. Maybe with the exception of one older lady. I tell you if I ever see her coming down the street I'm going to duckwalk the heck out of Dodge. The instructor spent extra time with her, let me just put it at that.
Too many people nowadays get their firearms handling knowledge from the entertainment they watch. Which I feel is incredibly dangerous to themselves and everyone else. For the love of God, entertainment is about entertainment. Good training is good training.
In the old days firearms knowledge was passed down through the generations. And horse sense was the rule. Man, makes me remember this one NCO in my company who really knew his stuff. I wished I was in his squad. I would've followed him through the gates of Hell. Really on the ball and not totally "Army on the brain" like a few others. I'd say he was Officer candidate material.
Anyway, in general I think for people who want to own firearms these are good policies to have in place.
 
While it's true that criminals understandibly shy away from houses where they may face an armed resident, I wouldn't recommend the "sign on the lawn" or a sticker on the window, which I have sometimes seen. That would make your house worth the time to watch carefully to make sure when you're gone so that they can break in to steal guns. Better to keep 'em guessing.
Marty
 
"Target" Homes

In a community where (virtually) everyone owns a gun, there are no "target" homes.

You break into a home in that community, you're going to know that there's a gun in the house, pretty much by definition.

Personally, if I were in the burglary business, and I found myself in a community where all my "targets" -- and their neighbors -- were armed, I'd want to rethink the whole area-of-operations choice.

Having to stake out every "target" to make SURE no one's home, and knowing the risk of being wrong, I'm thinking there's more profit and less risk in finding a softer community.

Here's a sign for you:
NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH
ALL HOMES ARE ARMED
THERE'S NOTHING HERE
WORTH DYING FOR
:)
 
While I agree that if everyone in a town were armed, criminals would probably pack it up and move elsewhere, I dislike the idea of requiring every household to own a gun. Personally I don't want the government telling me I have to do anything.

If a town wanted to encourage it's residents to own guns by maybe offering a tax credit or free training classes, a town subsidized shooting range, etc... I'm ok with that. I think this would accomplish the same thing, it would send a signal that the majority of this town is armed and criminals should look elsewhere for easy targets while at the same time not requiring anything.

We need to remove restrictions, not make up new ones, even if those new ones seem good to us.
 
Having to stake out every "target" to make SURE no one's home, and knowing the risk of being wrong, I'm thinking there's more profit and less risk in finding a softer community.
I remember reading about a small country area where the burglers would watch the farm houses and when the people would go to the club or dance, market, ect., the BGs would make their move.

To counter such hijinks, the homeower would pick up a neighbor and sneak them into the house and arm them with a shotgun, and let them sit in the dark until they came home, or a BG arrieved.

In just a very short time, no more home burglers when they went to town.
 
Reynolds refers to Suffolk county, I gather that is in Tennessee.

No, it's on Long Island, NY. Note in the story where they talk about registered handguns - that crap wouldn't fly in Tenn.
 
How about other southern states?
NC requires that you get a permit from the sheriff to buy a pistol from any source, commercial or private. The guns aren't "registered".
 
Virtually everyone has guns in rural MT (and most in the cities, too). In fact, I believe that there is a MT statute that says you must own at least one gun and at least one pickup :D

Oh yeah, and I think dogs are required too ;) (to ride in the back of the pickup)

I'm not aware of very many guns being stolen from homes, or cars/pickups either for that matter.
 
Brady Blog got ripped on this very topic

This was the topic of last week's Brady Blog on their website. Paul Helmke said he was "angry and disturbed" at the article.:rolleyes: Funny thing is, out of the 200 or so responses to Paul's blog blasting that article, 180 responses ripped the Brady Campaign postion, I even threw out a few bombs myself on that blog.:D The handful of people that were towing the Brady line were all "emotion and feeling". The rest of us were backing our statements up with facts, something that really pisses the Brady people off, because they have none! 90% pro-gun response on the Brady website, gotta love it!:D
 
Johnl2???

Well, the state I live in requires that you take a pistol safety course before applying for your pistol permit. I think it is a good policy.
Then you have to jump through another hoop to get your CCW. Which I think is a good policy.
I feel it takes a special mindset to carry a handgun on you. I do not want to but I shall if I have to. It means being knowledgeable and capable with your sidearm and knowing how to keep out of trouble in the first place.

John? While you are choosing "moderate" and "reasonable" gun laws? Maybe we should have one limiting anyone under 35 years old because they are not adult enough to control themselves?

Someone, Somewhere, Sometime, when you least expect it, is going to say to you,,, "Smile, here is the reason YOU can no longer own or carry a firearm."

I do NOT approve of ANY restrictions because I do not know who might make the next set of restrictions. I do not want to be told I am too old, or my eyesight is not good enough. I do not want to be told I can not purchase or carry, because I am now a "snowbird", and live in a camper, and have no permanent physical address.

I like this law,,,,,
 
I like the idea of everyone owning a gun. If that is too harsh, how about making everyone that does not own a gun put a sign in there yard that states that they they dont believe in it, big enough that it can be seen from someone driving by and if you dont have a gun and dont have a sign you will be fined unless for some reason the law does not permit you to have one then you could get a waver to not put up the sign.
 
ksnecktieman relax.
Those policies are as far as I would tolerate. Any further nonsensical laws I would fight tooth and nail.
 
Well, the state I live in requires that you take a pistol safety course before applying for your pistol permit. I think it is a good policy.
Then you have to jump through another hoop to get your CCW. Which I think is a good policy.
I feel it takes a special mindset to carry a handgun on you. I do not want to but I shall if I have to. It means being knowledgeable and capable with your sidearm and knowing how to keep out of trouble in the first place.
Most of the people I took my pistol course with seemed like they had good heads on their shoulders. Maybe with the exception of one older lady. I tell you if I ever see her coming down the street I'm going to duckwalk the heck out of Dodge. The instructor spent extra time with her, let me just put it at that.
Too many people nowadays get their firearms handling knowledge from the entertainment they watch. Which I feel is incredibly dangerous to themselves and everyone else. For the love of God, entertainment is about entertainment. Good training is good training.
In the old days firearms knowledge was passed down through the generations. And horse sense was the rule. Man, makes me remember this one NCO in my company who really knew his stuff. I wished I was in his squad. I would've followed him through the gates of Hell. Really on the ball and not totally "Army on the brain" like a few others. I'd say he was Officer candidate material.
Anyway, in general I think for people who want to own firearms these are good policies to have in place.

So you don't mind that this infringes on the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution? The problem when you have the government setting the criteria for who can own a weapon, is that the government can then "move the goalposts", changing the requirement so that almost no one can own a weapon.

I agree with you that people in general are less responsible than they used to be, but the answer is to promote responsibility, not let government restrict our rights. Liberty and safety are not mutually exclusive, but those who claim to want "safety" are often willing to sacrifice our liberties to achieve it.
 
In a community where (virtually) everyone owns a gun, there are no "target" homes.

I live in a town like this Only the Summer/secondary homes get broke in. The Golden Pond home's are 99% owned by out of state owners from states that usually have very low amount of gun owners.

Gee there could be a pattern here?. :what:
 
I'd say the govt has no right to require you to own anything, or to put any sign in your front yard.

We should be just as willing to lend our armed assistance to a neighbor as we are to help shoveling snow for someone weaker. Good neighbors make for good neighborhoods. Not everyone has to be able to do everything.

I have a saying I use with my kids. "The very thing that makes it useful makes it dangerous". I used it in regards to the microwave oven this morning. My daughter wanted to plaster her face against the door to watch her grits cook.

To admit that guns are "special" or different than any other tool is to give the enemy one more advantage. There should be no more regulation of guns than there is for an ax, cordless drill, drill press, propane grill or whatever.
 
I live in Alabama and recently purchased my first handgun, a Ruger P95. All I had to do was fill out a background check and pay for the pistol. I did the background check paperwork the day I ordered the pistol, but I think you can get the handgun the same day you fill out the background check, within an hour even. I could be wrong though.

I like the idea of signs in the yard, if they didn't look too redneck-ish!
 
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